Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-15 Thread paul swed
I have to say I have my supply also. Though many of them will need the special heat treatment to clear the bulb. But heck at $25 I picked up 6 X cel site RBs. You can play around with them. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Pete Lancashire wrote: > I'm also using Bob's method o

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-15 Thread Pete Lancashire
I'm also using Bob's method of resolving the issue of "Life Time" -pete On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:09 AM, Bob Smither wrote: > On 11/14/2012 10:56 AM, Bob Smither wrote: >> Do Rb oscillators wear out? I have found: > > > > Thanks for all the good information! I am running my FE-5680a 24/7, and

[time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-15 Thread cdelect
Bob, Rubidium lamps are purpose designed for particular units. However The Efratom threaded ones are mostly interchangeable. I'll see about taking a PIX of a variety of lamps and posting it. Something along the lines of the Rubidium Cell PIX I took at: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/rb-cells/

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Camp
time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators On 11/14/2012 10:56 AM, Bob Smither wrote: > Do Rb oscillators wear out? I have found: Thanks for all the good information! I am running my FE-5680a 24/7, and, as suggested, have a couple of backups. At my age I

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-15 Thread Bob Smither
On 11/14/2012 10:56 AM, Bob Smither wrote: > Do Rb oscillators wear out? I have found: Thanks for all the good information! I am running my FE-5680a 24/7, and, as suggested, have a couple of backups. At my age I should be set for life! One last question: what category of lamps do the Efratom

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-14 Thread Bob Camp
dnesday, November 14, 2012 6:28 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators > > Hi > > There are several different basic Rb cell designs. The old "large cell" > designs had relatively

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-14 Thread Dale J. Robertson
Bob, Which category do the FE-5680A's fall into? Dale NV8U -Original Message- From: Bob Camp Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 6:28 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators Hi There are se

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are several different basic Rb cell designs. The old "large cell" designs had relatively little trouble with glass / metal interaction. The early small cell designs tended to turn the bulbs black over time. Newer small cell designs seem to have gotten past that problem. Bob On Nov 14

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-14 Thread Brian Kirby
I believe Corby came up with the bulb "rejuvenation". If you tried to get a new bulb for a FRK, they wanted $400 in the late 1990s for them. Several rubidium's are plentiful and cheap, it may be easier to buy one from the auction site. I have a HP5065A, I run it when I need it, and when not

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 11/14/2012 10:26 PM, cdel...@juno.com wrote: Bob, Modern Rubidium units like the PRS10 Have a lamp life of over 20 years (of continuous operation). Vintage HP 5065A units likewise had a very long lamp lifetime. All the other common failures are just in the electronics. The main interest fo

[time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-14 Thread cdelect
Bob, Modern Rubidium units like the PRS10 Have a lamp life of over 20 years (of continuous operation). Vintage HP 5065A units likewise had a very long lamp lifetime. All the other common failures are just in the electronics. The main interest for time nutters is how long will the lamp last in m

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-14 Thread Bob Camp
s to a Cs beam tube. Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Smither Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:56 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscil

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-14 Thread Marek Peca
Hello, "There are no ?wear-out? or ?use-up? mechanisms in a Datum Efratom Rubidium oscillator." (..) But also: "Unlike a quartz crystal oscillator which has no clearly-defined "wear out" period and, if well-designed, can actually improve as time goes on, a Rubidium reference has a definite lif

Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-14 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
From what's been reported here, the mechanism isn't consumption of the Rb, but rather deposition of material on inside of the bulb, reducing its intensity, and that can sometimes be reversed by tricks that some time-nuts have reported -- it's more of a maintenance rather than a wear-out issue.

[time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-14 Thread Bob Smither
Do Rb oscillators wear out? I have found: "There are no “wear-out” or “use-up” mechanisms in a Datum Efratom Rubidium oscillator." -- Datum - Note About Rubidium Oscillators and "Atomic Vapor Oscillators have no wear out mechanism." -- FEI - Precison Oscillator Overview, 2007, p19. But als