Re: [time-nuts] Correcting jitter on the 1 PPS signalfrom a GPS receiver.

2014-09-15 Thread Fuqua, Bill L
A lot of devices have a low output impedance so that the signal can be split using a TEE adapter with little loss or need for a distribution amplifier. However, the cables must be impedance matched at far end, scope input, to prevent reflections which are the source of the ringing. You can

Re: [time-nuts] Correcting jitter on the 1 PPS signalfrom a GPS receiver.

2014-09-15 Thread Dave Martindale
Is there any reason (other than cost) not to both series-terminate the source and parallel-terminate the sink? When I was dealing with analog video, the standard distribution method was : 1. Buffer amplifier with high input impedance, very low output impedance, and a gain of 2 (so 1 V P-P

Re: [time-nuts] Correcting jitter on the 1 PPS signalfrom a GPS receiver.

2014-09-15 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Hi Dave, yes there is a reason. The standard 1PPS signal termination (Thunderbolt etc) used to be 5 Ohms or less series termination into a 50 Ohms coax (yikes), then end-terminate to get rid of all the undesired reflections. Your example below is properly terminating a 75 Ohms coax with

Re: [time-nuts] Correcting jitter on the 1 PPS signalfrom a GPS receiver.

2014-09-15 Thread Dave Martindale
I will agree that the end termination is optional if you are delivering a pulse signal to just one input, which is at the far end of the coax. However, I think there's still a problem with series-only termination when the pulse signal is daisy-chained through multiple inputs. When you apply 5

Re: [time-nuts] Correcting jitter on the 1 PPS signalfrom a GPS receiver.

2014-09-15 Thread S. Jackson via time-nuts
Hi Dave, what you are describing is reflected wave switching, which works perfectly in applications such as the PCI bus. The PCI bus uses it because it lends itself to extremely low power consumption. Your scenario does not work with end-termination either if you have multiple taps,

Re: [time-nuts] Correcting jitter on the 1 PPS signalfrom a GPS receiver.

2014-09-15 Thread Hal Murray
dave.martind...@gmail.com said: Is there any reason (other than cost) not to both series-terminate the source and parallel-terminate the sink? With both series and parallel termination, the signal at the receiver is 1/2 the output level of the output driver. That doesn't work well if you

Re: [time-nuts] Correcting jitter on the 1 PPS signalfrom a GPS receiver.

2014-09-15 Thread Bob Camp
Hi These are saturated logic signals. When you terminate both source and load you get an interesting issue with compatible logic levels. For instance: 5V CMOS switches at roughly 2.5V. If you series terminate and load terminate, your destination now sees a 0 to 2.5V signal. Either it’s

Re: [time-nuts] Correcting jitter on the 1 PPS signalfrom a GPS receiver.

2014-09-15 Thread Alexander Pummer
depend how do you terminate the, cable if the cable's impedance is Z, use two terminating resistors each R =2Z, one is connected to thee ground the other is connected to the supply voltage of the receiving chip, that way although the cables input and output termination will eat up half of the