Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-15 Thread Fabio Eboli
Il 2013-01-14 22:15 Charles P. Steinmetz ha scritto: Because the oscillators are sealed assemblies, I'm not aware of anyone who has taken one apart for analysis -- so the reason for this behavior must be considered unknown until we know what is going on inside. By the way, there is a non

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-15 Thread David C. Partridge
budget. Dave -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Fabio Eboli Sent: 14 January 2013 23:09 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour I answer here to all, thank Ed

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-15 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Eboli fabi...@quipo.it To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, January 15, 2013 9:21:21 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour By the way, there is a non working unit on ebay in US just now, 58h to auction end. If it was in EU I

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-15 Thread Fabio Eboli
Robert, I asked the seller for the least expensive way to send that OCXO here (nothing to lose on a marginal packaging, let's assume the item is non working) and he quoted 12USD. I think I must refrain from spending 20USD (assuming I will be the only bidder) for a device to be dissected, althoug

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-15 Thread Fabio Eboli
Il 2013-01-15 15:31 David C. Partridge ha scritto: Yes the 1992 4E adjustment is a bear. Mine behaves pretty much the same, ISTR it took me a few days to get it adjusted to my satisfaction and it was still drifting a bit. The strange thing is that mine now is changing frequency at more than

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-15 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
- Original Message From: Fabio Eboli fabi...@quipo.it To: Robert LaJeunesse lajeune...@mail.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tue, January 15, 2013 10:04:37 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour Robert, I asked the seller

[time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-14 Thread Fabio Eboli
Hello, recently I tried to trim the Racal Dana 1992 04E internal reference, using the GPS pps as a reference. I'd like to ask a pair of questions... - First is about the method. I'm using the counter TI to measure it's own OCXO. The GPS is starting the count, the internal reference 10MHz (on the

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-14 Thread Ed Breya
Is it manually adjusted right at the oscillator? If so, just opening it up and sticking a screwdriver in there gives it a thermal shock, and the adjusted element will have mechanical stress that has to settle out too - the value can change for a while. Ed

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-14 Thread David
The Racal Dana 1991/1992 OCXO has a big pair of pan head screws exposed on the back. One is coarse adjust and one is fine adjust. I have the TCXO version which also exposes the adjustment on the back so you do not have to open anything to get to it. You can see them here:

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-14 Thread David
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:14:23 +0100, Fabio Eboli fabi...@quipo.it wrote: Hello, recently I tried to trim the Racal Dana 1992 04E internal reference, using the GPS pps as a reference. I'd like to ask a pair of questions... - First is about the method. I'm using the counter TI to measure it's own

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-14 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Ed wrote: Is it manually adjusted right at the oscillator? If so, just opening it up and sticking a screwdriver in there gives it a thermal shock, and the adjusted element will have mechanical stress that has to settle out too - the value can change for a while. The 04E standard used in the

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-14 Thread Fabio Eboli
I answer here to all, thank Ed David and Charles for your thoughts. David, LOL, you posted the pic of the exact counter in question. Not a similar unit, I mean it's exactly *that* 1992 that is being measured ;) The pictures on eevblog show the early measurements I made with the counter. One of

Re: [time-nuts] Counter OCXO behaviour

2013-01-14 Thread Fabio Eboli
Il 2013-01-15 00:08 Fabio Eboli ha scritto: Trying to be more clear: 10MHz period error (vs. GPS) changed from -0.8x10^-10 soon after the trim, to +1x10^-10 after two days (top right). Top right is change of phase in time, i.e. period error measured using GPS as reference. The OCXO period