[time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-10 Thread ed breya
I agree that the extra converter is to provide isolation and input voltage flexibility. Mine runs on 24V, and I assume that the first converter is the only difference from the more common 48V units. Also, each stage of conversion should provide additional power supply rejection performance. It

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-10 Thread Marco IK1ODO
At 18:54 10/07/2011, Ed wrote: I agree that the extra converter is to provide isolation and input voltage flexibility. Thanks to all that answered my questions; very interesting thread. Possibly only input voltage flexibility and EMC considerations, since the isolation was already given by

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/10/11 12:56 PM, Marco IK1ODO wrote: At 18:54 10/07/2011, Ed wrote: I agree that the extra converter is to provide isolation and input voltage flexibility. Thanks to all that answered my questions; very interesting thread. Possibly only input voltage flexibility and EMC considerations,

[time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Marco IK1ODO
Hello group, after many years (about 12, I think) of faithful continuous operation, my Z3801 failed. I opened it, and found that there was no supply to the main PCB. The power supply board in the Z3801 (and Z3805, 58503A, possibly all the series) is marked 58503-60003. It is a very strange

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread paul swed
Marco like you I had lost one of the dc dc converters. As I recall the 48 5V. I simply replaced it with another I had and the 3801 has been working for years. The board is a complicated board and I have not seen schematics for it. Though it would be quite reasonable to develop them. There is a

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Marco IK1ODO
Hello Paul, thanks for info. Another list member gave me two good links: KO4BB has the schematic of PS board (!) in http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl?dir=05)_GPS_Timing/Z3801/Z3801A_Power_Supply and there are some more info in http://www.realhamradio.com/GPS_Frequency_Standard.htm

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread paul swed
Actually that is a wide range switcher. But useless given we tend to drive these with a reg 48 V supply. Regards Paul On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Marco IK1ODO ik1...@spin-it.com wrote: Hello Paul, thanks for info. Another list member gave me two good links: KO4BB has the schematic of PS

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread bownes
My educated guess is that they expected to sell these to telcos, who traditionally run everything in a central office on -48v and running off of ac was an afterthought. On Jul 9, 2011, at 9:43, Marco IK1ODO ik1...@spin-it.com wrote: Hello group, after many years (about 12, I think) of

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/9/11 7:49 AM, Marco IK1ODO wrote: Hello Paul, thanks for info. Another list member gave me two good links: KO4BB has the schematic of PS board (!) in http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl?dir=05)_GPS_Timing/Z3801/Z3801A_Power_Supply and there are some more info in

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Guess 1: Design it all with the first set of switchers, run it through all the fancy do them one time tests. Get to the last test, fail. Project is now well behind schedule. What's the fast fix? Slap on a wider range / lower emission / better isolation / what ever switcher in front of

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Will Matney
I have a Motorola based 5 MHz unit, that's a rack mount, that's the same, using a 45-48 Vdc supply, and was told at the time it was due to the Telco standard voltage. I use it with my Racal products, as their timebase is at 5 MHz. By the way, this unit was pulled from a cell tower. Best, Will

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/9/11 8:31 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Guess 1: Design it all with the first set of switchers, run it through all the fancy do them one time tests. Get to the last test, fail. Project is now well behind schedule. What's the fast fix? Slap on a wider range / lower emission / better isolation

Re: [time-nuts] Defective Z3801 and strange PS board

2011-07-09 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/09/2011 05:26 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 7/9/11 7:49 AM, Marco IK1ODO wrote: Hello Paul, thanks for info. Another list member gave me two good links: KO4BB has the schematic of PS board (!) in http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl?dir=05)_GPS_Timing/Z3801/Z3801A_Power_Supply and there are