Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/22/2012 10:17 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:12:40 -0400 Ben Gamaribgam...@physics.umass.edu wrote: If you are really going to build your own design, then i suggest you read these papers: Thank you very much for this list. While I have already stumbled upon a few of

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-23 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:37:58 +0100 Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: For high speed digital design this is a good starter: http://www.amazon.com/High-Speed-Digital-Design-Handbook/dp/0133957241/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1332491581sr=8-1 It's a very good read and accelerated my

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-23 Thread Hal Murray
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: For high speed digital design this is a good starter: http://www.amazon.com/ High-Speed-Digital-Design-Handbook/dp/0133957241/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=13324 91581sr=8-1 You forgot the sub-title: High Speed Digital Design: A Handbook of Black Magic I really

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/23/2012 12:36 PM, Hal Murray wrote: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: For high speed digital design this is a good starter: http://www.amazon.com/ High-Speed-Digital-Design-Handbook/dp/0133957241/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=13324 91581sr=8-1 You forgot the sub-title: High Speed Digital

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-22 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:18:21 -0400 Ben Gamari bgam...@physics.umass.edu wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:44:14 -0500, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised it is not more accurate and precise. Even old discrete designs can get down to 10ps or better. I wonder what market it is

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-22 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
On 03/22/2012 10:51 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Review of methods for time interval measurements with picosecond resolution by Jozef Kalisz, 2003, http://ztc.wel.wat.edu.pl/kalisz/met4_1_004.pdf A very detailed, but broad overview of the methods that are used in todays TIM/TDC applications. Hi,

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-22 Thread Attila Kinali
Moin, On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:20:10 +0100 Gerhard Hoffmann dk...@arcor.de wrote: On 03/22/2012 10:51 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Review of methods for time interval measurements with picosecond resolution by Jozef Kalisz, 2003, http://ztc.wel.wat.edu.pl/kalisz/met4_1_004.pdf A very

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-22 Thread Ben Gamari
Thank you very much for your response. This is amazingly helpful. Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch writes: On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:18:21 -0400 Ben Gamari bgam...@physics.umass.edu wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:44:14 -0500, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised it is not more

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-22 Thread David
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:52:33 -0400 (EDT), saidj...@aol.com wrote: Alternatively, if you want to design your own, you could use a time-expander. It only requires a small micro with counter/timer, and a little bit of external circuitry for charging/discharging a precision cap. You charge

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-22 Thread Bob Camp
: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI? On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:18:21 -0400 Ben Gamari bgam...@physics.umass.edu wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:44:14 -0500, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised it is not more accurate and precise. Even old discrete designs can get down to 10ps

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-22 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:12:40 -0400 Ben Gamari bgam...@physics.umass.edu wrote: If you are really going to build your own design, then i suggest you read these papers: Thank you very much for this list. While I have already stumbled upon a few of the FPGA papers, I'm largely ignorant of

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-22 Thread Ben Gamari
Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch writes: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:12:40 -0400 Ben Gamari bgam...@physics.umass.edu wrote: If you are really going to build your own design, then i suggest you read these papers: Thank you very much for this list. While I have already stumbled upon a few of

[time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-21 Thread Heinzmann, Stefan (ALC NetworX GmbH)
Hi all, I just discovered that TI makes a TDC chip called THS788, see http://www.ti.com/product/ths788 for more info. Interesting specs, but rather expensive. Has anyone from the list had a chance to experiment with this device? Cheers Stefan ___

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-21 Thread Javier Herrero
13ps resolution at 200Msps sampling rate and real 15.8Msps output data throughput? not too many around :) Regards, Javier El 21/03/2012 15:44, David escribió: I am surprised it is not more accurate and precise. Even old discrete designs can get down to 10ps or better. I wonder what

[time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-21 Thread Ben Gamari
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:44:14 -0500, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised it is not more accurate and precise. Even old discrete designs can get down to 10ps or better. I wonder what market it is for where space is at that much of a premium. Out of curiosity, would you happen to

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-21 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Are you after 12 ns or 12 ps? Bob -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Ben Gamari Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:18 PM To: David; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: [time-nuts] Experience

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-21 Thread David
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:51:53 -0400, Ben Gamari bgam...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:44:14 -0500, David davidwh...@gmail.com wrote: I am surprised it is not more accurate and precise. Even old discrete designs can get down to 10ps or better. I wonder what market it is for where

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-21 Thread Ben Gamari
Bob Camp li...@rtty.us writes: Hi Are you after 12 ns or 12 ps? Bah, yes, my bad: picoseconds is the relevant timescale here. Cheers, - Ben ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-21 Thread Bob Camp
...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:30 PM To: Bob Camp; 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI? Bob Camp li...@rtty.us writes: Hi Are you after 12 ns or 12 ps? Bah, yes, my bad: picoseconds is the relevant timescale here

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-21 Thread SAIDJACK
-Original Message- From: Ben Gamari [mailto:bgam...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:30 PM To: Bob Camp; 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI? Bob Camp li...@rtty.us writes: Hi Are you after 12 ns

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-21 Thread Ben Gamari
Bob Camp li...@rtty.us writes: Hi Ok, for a legit 12 ps with 0.1 ps drift and 200 mega samples per second - not to many alternatives. The FPGA stuff will get you to 50 to 100 ps on the same basis this gets you to 12 ps. They will get you to 20 to 40 ps on a good day - sort of the way this

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-21 Thread Tristan Steele
Hi, The NIM Negative pulse is indeed problematic when trying to interface to FPGA logic! The solution I have used in the past is a board based around a Maxim MAX9601[1] acting as a comparator on the incoming NIIM pulse, and configuring the output for connection to the FPGA. Judging by the

Re: [time-nuts] Experience with THS788 from TI?

2012-03-21 Thread SAIDJACK
Two suggestions: How about using an off-the-shelf Wavecrest counter? These have a 0.8ps resolution, and typically have a noise floor of around 3ps when averaging. They certainly can do 10ps single shot. There is a DTS-2050 on Ebay now for $700: item number 120647180882 You can't get much