[time-nuts] FTS 1200 transistor replacement

2014-05-17 Thread EWKehren
Traced the problem of my FTS 1200 to the first BC109 Transistor on the  
A2/A3 AGS/Amplifier board. Since it is right after the Oscillator transistor 
low  noise is critical. This unit is at least 30 years old and my question is, 
what  transistor will have even lower noise than the than low noise BC 109. 
Voltage is  6.43 V.
Thanks  Bert Kehren
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Re: [time-nuts] FTS 1200 transistor replacement

2014-05-17 Thread Bob Camp
Hi

The 2N5089 from ON semi is a pretty good bet for a high beta / audio part. They 
are $0.37 a piece from Mouser with 11,542 in stock.

Bob

On May 17, 2014, at 11:37 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote:

 Traced the problem of my FTS 1200 to the first BC109 Transistor on the  
 A2/A3 AGS/Amplifier board. Since it is right after the Oscillator transistor 
 low  noise is critical. This unit is at least 30 years old and my question 
 is, 
 what  transistor will have even lower noise than the than low noise BC 109. 
 Voltage is  6.43 V.
 Thanks  Bert Kehren
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Re: [time-nuts] FTS 1200 transistor replacement

2014-05-17 Thread Charles Steinmetz

Bert wrote:


what  transistor will have even lower noise than the than low noise BC 109.


Generally speaking, the baseband noise of a bipolar transistor is 
most strongly influenced by the transistor's base spreading 
resistance.  Of course, the transistor also needs to have whatever 
other characteristics are required in the application circuit -- in 
particular, adequate current gain and transition frequency at the 
operating point and sufficiently low input capacitance -- and these 
may be mutually exclusive with lowest base spreading resistance.


The 2SD786 and MPSA18 may be good candidates.  That said, I seriously 
doubt you will get usefully better phase noise by using a better 
transistor in this location.


Best regards,

Charles



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Re: [time-nuts] FTS 1200 transistor replacement

2014-05-17 Thread EWKehren
Thanks for all the help. I do have a couple of BC 109 but I thought with  
all the work to carefully disassemble the unit that after 30 years there 
would  be a better transistor.
Thanks again
Bert Kehren
 
 
In a message dated 5/17/2014 6:47:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
csteinm...@yandex.com writes:

Bert  wrote:

what  transistor will have even lower noise than the  than low noise BC 
109.

Generally speaking, the baseband noise of a  bipolar transistor is 
most strongly influenced by the transistor's base  spreading 
resistance.  Of course, the transistor also needs to have  whatever 
other characteristics are required in the application circuit --  in 
particular, adequate current gain and transition frequency at the  
operating point and sufficiently low input capacitance -- and these  
may be mutually exclusive with lowest base spreading  resistance.

The 2SD786 and MPSA18 may be good candidates.  That  said, I seriously 
doubt you will get usefully better phase noise by using  a better 
transistor in this location.

Best  regards,

Charles



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Re: [time-nuts] FTS 1200 transistor replacement

2014-05-17 Thread Charles Steinmetz



Thanks for all the help. I do have a couple of BC 109 but I thought with
all the work to carefully disassemble the unit that after 30 years there
would  be a better transistor.


The fundamentals of solid state physics haven't changed much in 30 
years;-)


It's a tribute to semiconductor scientists that our fabrication 
processes have been delivering devices with very close to theoretical 
performance for ~50 years.  (But I'm still waiting for commercial 
graphene FETs.)


Best regards,

Charles




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