Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-26 Thread Sarah White
On 10/17/2012 12:31 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: Hi again everyone :) Originally I was hoping for a thunderbolt. The control / diagnostic software looked cool, but I couldn't afford the pricetag on one. ...Here's my

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
Sarah, Jim, On 10/18/2012 02:26 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 10/17/12 4:48 PM, Sarah White wrote: ... Basically, this way I won't have to consider any waterproofing for the antenna, and just hope that if lightning strikes it goes for the exhaust vent dome thingy instead... Ah well whatever. My plan

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-21 Thread Edgardo Molina
Dear Magnus, I hope you don't mind me jumping into the thread. Your last comment sparked my enthusiasm and will to help. If you need me as a rookie to contribute or coordinate with newcomers to Time Nuts, I will be more than glad to do it. Also if you need help with the Wiki I could offer time

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-19 Thread cfo
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:03:14 -0700, Hal Murray wrote: It's a typical low-cost GPS via USB navigation unit. It's not a timing receiver. I was wondering why there wasn't someone on the list suggesting this Trimble (The A4 board) $87 eb* 290730738839 From the desc. it needs a 48v PSU. But

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Hal Murray
kuze...@gmail.com said: And that's with a $6 navigation GPS thingy (USB puck-type NMEA-only) Where did you get one for $6? What make/model/brand? That's navigation... Timing mode only needs 1 satellite lock after all, and I suspect I will at minimum be able to get needed 1 satellite lock

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread David J Taylor
From: Hal Murray [] Timing mode also needs special firmware. I haven't seen any of the low cost units that come with timing mode. Does anybody have a favorite low cost timing mode unit? How about one with minimal soldering required? Hal, I see

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Azelio Boriani
Take care that the 1 satellite timing mode comes after having seens more than 4 satellites for at least 1 seconds (usually, or greater). You can't start a timing mode receiver with 1 satellite. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:46 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: From: Hal

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Mike S
On 10/18/2012 6:17 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote: Take care that the 1 satellite timing mode comes after having seens more than 4 satellites for at least 1 seconds (usually, or greater). You can't start a timing mode receiver with 1 satellite. Yes, you can. You only need to tell it its own

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, unless you have the coordinates of your antenna position... and here comes the difficult move: how can I have the coordinates of an indoor antenna that can't receive the required satellites? Starting from a suitable outdoor position then using precise length and angle measurements, yes, it can

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Bob Camp
and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock) OK, unless you have the coordinates of your antenna position... and here comes the difficult move: how can I have the coordinates of an indoor antenna that can't receive the required satellites

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Tom Van Baak
OK, unless you have the coordinates of your antenna position... and here comes the difficult move: how can I have the coordinates of an indoor antenna that can't receive the required satellites? Starting from a suitable outdoor position then using precise length and angle measurements, yes,

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Azelio Boriani
OK, indeed I was assuming to have the PPS with the best precision anyway. Well, in this case I agree. Galileo? Yes, I can try with the LEA-5T. I have to figure out how to set it so that only Galileo SVs are received. And: I don't think Galileo is meant for EU only, you can test it too. Are the

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/17/2012 6:04 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: ((...snip...)) -- 1 Indoor antennas can work. It depands on the details. Hopefully the skylight looks to the south. BTW that

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Hal Murray
albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: But yu are in luck, iLotus does sell an M12M evaluation kit that is ready to use http://www.ilotus.com.sg/m12m_uart_evaluation_kit but the price is higher. That web page says: SiRF Oncore(tm) Software What's the relation between SiRF and i-Lotus? Anybody

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Hal Murray
azelio.bori...@screen.it said: OK, unless you have the coordinates of your antenna position... and here comes the difficult move: how can I have the coordinates of an indoor antenna that can't receive the required satellites? It depends upon how bad your indoor setup is. Mine is poor, not

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Sarah White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/18/2012 3:33 AM, Hal Murray wrote: ((...snip...)) Where did you get one for $6? What make/model/brand? ((...snip...)) Does anybody have a favorite low cost timing mode unit? How about one with minimal soldering required?

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Hal Murray
Does anybody have a favorite low cost timing mode unit? How about one with minimal soldering required? kuze...@gmail.com said: http://www.ankaka.com/usb-gps-receiver-for-computers-laptop-worked-as-gps-nav igator_p46411.html AGI-G217 USB GPS Receiver That web page says: Uses SiRF Star

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Sarah White
On 10/18/2012 1:20 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Let the GPS average the antenna position over a very long time. On a good GPSDO one can select the number of averages, and the position variance before the survey is finished, and the (now very precise) position is stored in memory.

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Said Jackson
Thanks! Have fun experimenting Said Sent From iPhone On Oct 18, 2012, at 18:54, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/18/2012 1:20 PM, saidj...@aol.com wrote: Let the GPS average the antenna position over a very long time. On a good GPSDO one can select the number of averages, and

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-18 Thread Chris Albertson
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: albertson.ch...@gmail.com said: But yu are in luck, iLotus does sell an M12M evaluation kit that is ready to use http://www.ilotus.com.sg/m12m_uart_evaluation_kit but the price is higher. That web page says: SiRF

[time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Sarah White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi again everyone :) Originally I was hoping for a thunderbolt. The control / diagnostic software looked cool, but I couldn't afford the pricetag on one. ...Here's my followup now: Determined I'd love to get my hands on an iLotus m12m. That's just

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Azelio Boriani
The iLotus M12M is the direct successor of the Motorola M12+ evolution of the OnCore series, for what I know. I have designed the first GPSDO for my company based on the OnCore UT (1999), then just before going into full production we switched to the M12+ (2000) meanwhile Motorola had become

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Attila Kinali
Hi Sarah, I've just reread the old thread from august and i don't quite get what you are aiming for. From what i gather, you want to have an ntp startum 1 server for your internal network at home? How accurate does it have to be? Sub-ms? Sub-us? On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 03:50:41 -0400 Sarah White

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi again everyone :) Originally I was hoping for a thunderbolt. The control / diagnostic software looked cool, but I couldn't afford the pricetag on one. ...Here's my

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Sarah White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: ((...snip...)) -- my post was long. Sorry hehe. 1) iLotus M12M timing mode GPS (serial port version) 2) Aprox 10 meter antenna cable with apropriate connector(s) 3) active

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Sarah White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/17/2012 4:18 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: Hi Sarah, I've just reread the old thread from august and i don't quite get what you are aiming for. From what i gather, you want to have an ntp startum 1 server for your internal network at home? How

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Sarah White kuze...@gmail.com wrote: ... Hmm ok wow. That all sounds pretty good. I'm confused about one or two things though... 1) I'm planning to mount the antenna indoors. Will be pressed up into the skylight here in the living room / den with cable

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Sarah White
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/17/2012 6:04 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: ((...snip...)) -- 1 Indoor antennas can work. It depands on the details. Hopefully the skylight looks to the south. BTW that thin sheet of plastic that makes the skylight window will not protect from

Re: [time-nuts] Followup (still want a GPS-type NTP refclock)

2012-10-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 10/17/12 4:48 PM, Sarah White wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/17/2012 6:04 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: ((...snip...)) -- 1 Indoor antennas can work. It depands on the details. Hopefully the skylight looks to the south. BTW that thin sheet of plastic that makes