Re: [time-nuts] GPS III

2017-11-13 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 11/13/2017 02:23 PM, jimlux wrote: On 11/12/17 10:22 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi Don, Hardly. As long as you do GPS L1 C/A code only, chanses you get any useful improvement isn't all that great. SBAS may help you some thought. the new L1C code plus increase in radiated power

Re: [time-nuts] GPS III

2017-11-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi There are papers from ION and other places detailing testing on the new(er) clocks. They do have quite good ADEV performance. If they start showing up on eBay, expect a bidding war …. The most useful thing for an L1 user is getting the added bits into the datastream for the epoch. That

Re: [time-nuts] GPS III

2017-11-13 Thread jimlux
On 11/12/17 10:22 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Hi Don, Hardly. As long as you do GPS L1 C/A code only, chanses you get any useful improvement isn't all that great. SBAS may help you some thought. the new L1C code plus increase in radiated power might help

Re: [time-nuts] GPS III

2017-11-12 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Don, Hardly. As long as you do GPS L1 C/A code only, chanses you get any useful improvement isn't all that great. SBAS may help you some thought. Cheers, Magnus On 11/13/2017 05:35 AM, Don wrote: I read where the first GPS III satellite had finally been approved for flight. The report

[time-nuts] GPS III

2017-11-12 Thread Don
I read where the first GPS III satellite had finally been approved for flight.  The report said they will provide three times better location accuracy than current GPS. Will  "better" onboard clocks help contribute to this improvement?  How are they "better"? Can we expect enhanced timing

Re: [time-nuts] GPS III

2014-07-25 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The antenna is a pretty standard ceramic patch. No better (or worse) than any other patch. No idea how quiet the preamp is or even if there is one. The uBlox receiver is very good for sensitivity. Bob On Jul 24, 2014, at 9:44 PM, Chris Albertson albertson.ch...@gmail.com wrote: How good

Re: [time-nuts] GPS III

2014-07-25 Thread Jason Rabel
I have purchased about a dozen of these receivers (mostly the RS-232 version for $1 more). Reyax ships very fast. I get them in about 1 week. They work well, and are based upon the Ublox MAX-7C. They output independent GPS and Glonass NMEA messages and don't appear to merge the two

[time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Hello All, Does anyone know yet of any companies that are making GPS-III receiver chip-sets/modules yet? Some web-sites on GPS-III: http://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/modernization/ http://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/modernization/civilsignals/

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 00:14:10 -0700 John C. Westmoreland, P.E. j...@westmorelandengineering.com wrote: Does anyone know yet of any companies that are making GPS-III receiver chip-sets/modules yet? Do you mean a L1 C/A / L2C receiver? I am not aware of any. AFAIK all dual band receiver are

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Chris Albertson
GPS-III is the wrong term. You mean block three spacecraft. The Air Force is buying 8 new satellites they are calling block III and they don't launch until at least 2016. If the current satellites are in good health they could delay the launch. If the past is a guide to the future the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Michael Perrett
Chris, I disagree only with your statement as a GPS user you'd never know. As stated in one of John's references: The government is in the process of fielding three new signals designed for civilian use: L2C, L5, and L1C. The legacy civil signal, called L1 C/A or C/A at L1, will continue

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Hal Murray
I think you can buy multi-frequency receivers. Remember GPS is not longer the only system. There are stelites from the US, Europe, Russia, China and Japan.Adding more more frequencies allows the receiver to detect multi path and makes it harder to jam but the timing is not greatly

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Al Wolfe
On eBay the RNY25A1 receiver module sells for $15 and $1 for shipping from Taiwan. Supposedly, it does GPS and Glonass. There is a link to a data sheet there as well. Might be interesting to play with one and compare the results. Stick it in a Tupperware box and nail it to a fence post.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:30:07 -0700 Michael Perrett mkperr...@gmail.com wrote: The government is in the process of fielding three new signals designed for civilian use: L2C, L5, and L1C. The legacy civil signal, called L1 C/A or C/A at L1, will continue broadcasting in the future, for a total

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Edesio Costa e Silva
Try http://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/. A bit more expensive ($25) but comes with a processor embedded. There is also a GPS+Beidou flavor. Edésio (sorry if duplicated) On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 05:10:35PM -0500, Al Wolfe wrote: On eBay the RNY25A1 receiver module sells for $15 and $1 for

Re: [time-nuts] GPS-III

2014-07-24 Thread Edesio Costa e Silva
Hi! Try http://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/. A bit more expensive ($25) but comes with a processor embedded. There is also a GPS+Beidou flavor. Edésio On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 05:10:35PM -0500, Al Wolfe wrote: On eBay the RNY25A1 receiver module sells for $15 and $1 for shipping from Taiwan.

[time-nuts] GPS III

2014-07-24 Thread Mark Sims
I have purchased about a dozen of these receivers (mostly the RS-232 version for $1 more). Reyax ships very fast. I get them in about 1 week. They work well, and are based upon the Ublox MAX-7C. They output independent GPS and Glonass NMEA messages and don't appear to merge the two systems

Re: [time-nuts] GPS III

2014-07-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you go looking for them on the auction sites, the RYN25DI from Reyax is the search item for the RS-232 version. The RYN25AI is the search item for the not RS-232 version. Bob On Jul 24, 2014, at 7:15 PM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: I have purchased about a dozen of these

Re: [time-nuts] GPS III

2014-07-24 Thread Chris Albertson
How good is the built-in antenna? Do they work well in doors away from windows? The $15 price, low power and 2.5 meter CEP are attractive. They are 1/2 the price of something else I was looking at. I'd be using them for navigation, not timing. On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Bob Camp

Re: [time-nuts] GPS III

2014-07-24 Thread Alexander Pummer
I received a little package with a GPS receiver + antenna from Gentleman [H6m] and I would like to tel him thank you very much 73 KJ6UHN Alex On 7/24/2014 5:57 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If you go looking for them on the auction sites, the RYN25DI from Reyax is the search item for the RS-232

[time-nuts] GPS III

2014-07-24 Thread Mark Sims
They seem to do pretty well. I have mine in devices sitting on my kitchen floor. It is downstairs in a stucco over wire mesh house. Nearest window/door is 20 feet away... and it is shaded by a stainless steel covered bridge to the guest house. Also lots of stainless in the kitchen... they