Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-20 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bob, Since the satellite orbit the earth with a period of 11 hours and 58 minutes, it is actually twice a day. Cheers, Magnus On 10/20/2014 03:50 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The GPS constellation repeats roughly once a day. It is not at all uncommon to have a “worst case” sattelite geometry

Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-20 Thread mike cook
The constellation may repeat at 12hr intervals , but at any static position you will only see one per day , no? , the other being 180 degrees way. I only get one regular bump. Le 20 oct. 2014 à 09:43, Magnus Danielson a écrit : Bob, Since the satellite orbit the earth with a period of 11

Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-20 Thread David J Taylor
Bob, Since the satellite orbit the earth with a period of 11 hours and 58 minutes, it is actually twice a day. Cheers, Magnus I've been reminded of that before, but the fact remains that here the interruptions when they happen are at 24-hour intervals, not

Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Yes, but there’s this large object in the sky that modifies the ionosphere as it travels in a “about one a day” track. It appears to be coming up just about now, but I do need more coffee to be sure … The combination of the constellation and the ionosphere are what I believe give you the

Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-20 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Bob, You mean the Sun, correct? Regards, John On Oct 20, 2014 4:16 AM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi Yes, but there’s this large object in the sky that modifies the ionosphere as it travels in a “about one a day” track. It appears to be coming up just about now, but I do need more

Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-20 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Gee, now after a few cups of coffee … yes that does appear to be the sun. The GPS system does it’s best to model the ionosphere and transmit that data. Unfortunately the model / model resolution is not as good as it could be. That lets the ionosphere creep into the solution more than

Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-20 Thread Tim Shoppa
having kept watch over oscillators for about half a century now... My first assumption would be that a once-a-day bump in time offset or tuning word, is due to earthside changes especially temperature of the earthside oscillator environment. Tim N3QE On Sunday, October 19, 2014, Bob Stewart

Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-20 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:43 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Bob, Since the satellite orbit the earth with a period of 11 hours and 58 minutes, it is actually twice a day. But then your house has only completed half an orbit. -- Brian Lloyd Lloyd Aviation 706

Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-20 Thread Tom Van Baak
The GPS satellites are at an altitude that gives them an orbit of 12* hours. But during that time the earth has made half a rotation. Thus it takes -two- SV orbits and -one- earth rotation to get back to the same geometry. It is this 24* hour ground-track repeat time that is of interest in

Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-20 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: The combination of the constellation and the ionosphere are what I believe give you the once a day (rather than once per 12 hours) bump. There is another layer. In addition to the normal once-a-day type differences, the pattern of satellites drifts slowly from day to

[time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-19 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob Camp, In your response to Chris, you said: Once you have it “right” you really need to check it over a month or two to watch for GPS “once a day” issues. Could I ask you what you meant by these once a day issues? Was this a general comment, or was it about something specific? As you

Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-19 Thread Bob Stewart
that are DC isolated from the antenna. Bob From: Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ? Hi One of the reasons you want to wide space antennas if you

Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-19 Thread Bob Stewart
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ? Hi The GPS constellation repeats roughly once a day. It is not at all uncommon to have a “worst case” sattelite geometry for a given antenna location. If you have one, it will repeat once a day and show up as a bump in the timing out of your GPS

Re: [time-nuts] GPS once a day issues ?

2014-10-19 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The GPS constellation repeats roughly once a day. It is not at all uncommon to have a “worst case” sattelite geometry for a given antenna location. If you have one, it will repeat once a day and show up as a bump in the timing out of your GPS module. If you track long term data, it will /