Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-28 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Bob wrote: You can achieve very good accuracy, but at the cost of waiting thousands of seconds between phase points; i.e. where your 1PPS coincides with the 10 millionth OCXO pulse. So, as your 1PPS pulse bobs back and forth, you will often encounter an OCXO pulse up to 10ns early, or up to

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-28 Thread Bob Stewart
: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement? Bob wrote: You can achieve very good accuracy, but at the cost of waiting thousands of seconds between phase points; i.e. where your 1PPS coincides with the 10 millionth OCXO pulse. So, as your 1PPS pulse bobs back and forth, you

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-28 Thread Mark Haun
Thanks to everyone who responded. I had this bright idea that I would turn off mail delivery and just read the list through the pipermail interface. It works great, until you want to reply to a message. Sorry if this breaks the thread in two. Language is imprecise even when carefully thought

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-28 Thread Chris Albertson
From: Charles Steinmetz csteinm...@yandex.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement? Bob wrote: You can achieve

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-27 Thread Hal Murray
hau...@keteu.org said: That being said, I find myself wondering as follows: Suppose that we count OCXO cycles (at, say, 10 MHz) using one of the MCU's timer/counter peripherals, and periodically sample the counter value with an interrupt triggered on the rising edge of the GPS 1pps. Assume

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-27 Thread Bob Stewart
-nuts@febo.com Cc: hmur...@megapathdsl.net Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement? b...@evoria.net said: At least on the PIC I'm using, the CCP and timer interrupts don't seem to be synchronous with the PIC clock.  I

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-27 Thread Bob Stewart
on your 1PPS pulse. Bob From: Alexander Pummer alex...@ieee.org To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-27 Thread Alexander Pummer
you get. Anyway, those are my experiences. Bob - AE6RV From: Mark Haun hau...@keteu.org To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:51 PM Subject: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement? Hi everyone, I'm new to the list

[time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-26 Thread Mark Haun
Hi everyone, I'm new to the list, and have been reading the recent threads on Arduino-based GPSDOs and the pros/cons of 10-kHz vs 1-Hz time pulses with interest. As I understand it, there are a couple of reasons why one needs a time-interval / phase measurement implemented outside the MCU: 1)

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-26 Thread Tom Van Baak
* all of this, to document it, to experiment, and to possibly improve on it over time. /tvb - Original Message - From: Mark Haun hau...@keteu.org To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:51 PM Subject: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement? Hi

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-26 Thread Chris Albertson
At this point the time measurement is quite crude, with 100-ns resolution. But because we keep the counter running, the unknown residuals will keep accumulating, and we should be able to average out this quantization noise What you are saying is With a long enough gate time you can measure

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Stewart
to live with whatever quantization errors you get. Anyway, those are my experiences. Bob - AE6RV From: Mark Haun hau...@keteu.org To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:51 PM Subject: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-26 Thread Bob Stewart
could be mistaken. Bob From: Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement

Re: [time-nuts] GPSDO with all-digital phase/time measurement?

2014-02-26 Thread Hal Murray
b...@evoria.net said: At least on the PIC I'm using, the CCP and timer interrupts don't seem to be synchronous with the PIC clock.  I could be mistaken. Unless you have a very strange architecture, it doesn't make sense for an interrupt to not be synchronous with the CPU clock. You are in