Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-14 Thread Hal Murray
b...@evoria.net said: Note: The DAC module is designed specifically for audio applications and is not recommended for control type applications. I had hoped that it wouldn't be a problem for driving an OCXO, but my mistake. The datasheet also notes that the DAC has 16-bit resolution but

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-13 Thread Bob Stewart
; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Cc: Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV Your intuition isn't completely wrong -- the law of averages still applies. As you provide more

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 11 Sep 2014 04:35, Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net wrote: I've ordered the PWM version of the PIC, and hopefully, since it's the motor control version (as opposed to the audio version) it will have much better noise performance. I don't know the PIC but I would have thought chips for audio would

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
OOPS! CORRECTION. I don't know the PIC but I would have thought chips for audio would be optimised for low noise far MOOR than one for driving motors. Ears are more sensitive to a bit of noise than motors. I assume I have misunderstood you. Dave ___

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-13 Thread Bob Stewart
From: Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk To: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV On 11 Sep

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-12 Thread Andrew Rodland
this project! Bob From: Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV I've been wondering if it would

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-11 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The plot pretty much confirms what you already know - there is a noise spectrum and it’s not what you want to have. In a closed loop system, it’s all going to add up. The big unknown is - do you get noise out of the DAC trying to correct the OCXO’s noise or just noise out of the DAC? Is the

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
to measure. /tvb - Original Message - From: Bob Stewart b...@evoria.net To: Time Nuts time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:06 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV After spending a lot of effort trying to get some useful tuning figures for the PID in my

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-11 Thread Bob Stewart
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV Hi The plot pretty much confirms what you already know - there is a noise spectrum and it’s not what you want to have. In a closed loop system, it’s all going to add up. The big unknown is - do you

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-11 Thread Bob Stewart
-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV After spending a lot of effort trying to get some useful tuning figures for the PID in my GPSDO engine, I decided to capture the DAC output with my 3456A. And, of course I've made an ADEV plot. If I understand this correctly, it means that there is mostly

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-11 Thread Tom Van Baak
I've been wondering if it would be better to look in the frequency domain. I'll have to look at Tom's site to see if he has code to do that. Bob Hi Bob, Ok, I think I found the problem with your plot. There's one mistake, one misunderstanding, and a miscalibration. 1) It appears you're

Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-11 Thread Bob Stewart
From: Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV I've been wondering if it would be better to look

[time-nuts] Help understanding an ADEV

2014-09-10 Thread Bob Stewart
After spending a lot of effort trying to get some useful tuning figures for the PID in my GPSDO engine, I decided to capture the DAC output with my 3456A. And, of course I've made an ADEV plot. If I understand this correctly, it means that there is mostly justnoise out to 2 tau, and an area