[time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-12-01 Thread Mark Sims
Just because it's a maser does not mean it has good ADEV. Masers use the hydrogen physics package to discipline an external oscillator just like a GPSDO uses GPS. So a maser can be considered to be a HDXO... hydrogen disciplined crystal oscillator. Your maser ADEV is only as good as its

Re: [time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The simple answer: 1) There are setups that increase the resolution of a counter 2) There are devices that are far more accurate at measuring frequency than a SR620 3) If you have three reasonably identical samples of a device you can indeed inter compare them once the resolution is

Re: [time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-12-01 Thread Azelio Boriani
Your maser ADEV is only as good as its output oscillator/pll. Upto the disciplining algorithm time constant, then it will be better. On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Mark Sims hol...@hotmail.com wrote: Just because it's a maser does not mean it has good ADEV. Masers use the hydrogen physics

Re: [time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-12-01 Thread Azelio Boriani
and then, for the second part of the question, the 10^-12 is an Allan deviation but usually the terms variance and deviation are unfortunately used one in place of the other. On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi The simple answer: 1) There are setups that increase

Re: [time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-12-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 11/30/2014 11:09 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: I think I have a flaw in my understanding of this. How can something like an SR620 measure the ADEV of an oscillator, if the oscillator is of a similar or better than the reference fed into the SR620? What HP did with

Re: [time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-12-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
Back in the day, you built two devices measured the noise and then assumed that they where so near each other that you just split the noise in two and assigned the same noise to them both. Doing the three-cornered hat allows you to make thee observations from three sources, so breaking the

Re: [time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-12-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
Rick, On 12/01/2014 07:11 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 11/30/2014 11:09 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: I think I have a flaw in my understanding of this. How can something like an SR620 measure the ADEV of an oscillator, if the oscillator is of a similar or

Re: [time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-12-01 Thread Tom Van Baak
I think I have a flaw in my understanding of this. How can something like an SR620 measure the ADEV of an oscillator, if the oscillator is of a similar or better than the reference fed into the SR620? The key is to realize that all measurements are actually just comparisons: the instrument

Re: [time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-12-01 Thread Magnus Danielson
Tom, On 12/01/2014 11:05 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: I think I have a flaw in my understanding of this. How can something like an SR620 measure the ADEV of an oscillator, if the oscillator is of a similar or better than the reference fed into the SR620? The key is to realize that all

Re: [time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Camp
HI On Dec 1, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: On 11/30/2014 11:09 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: I think I have a flaw in my understanding of this. How can something like an SR620 measure the ADEV of an oscillator, if the

Re: [time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-12-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 12/1/2014 4:08 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Others did a similar thing by simply taking production OCXO’s to the limit of their EFC range. That let you do a coarse sort to find some number of “likely” units. Next step was to pop a few of them open and short this or that out to get a reasonable

Re: [time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Dec 1, 2014, at 7:23 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist rich...@karlquist.com wrote: On 12/1/2014 4:08 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Others did a similar thing by simply taking production OCXO’s to the limit of their EFC range. That let you do a coarse sort to find some number of “likely”

[time-nuts] How can one measure ADEV of a good oscillator?

2014-11-30 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
I think I have a flaw in my understanding of this. How can something like an SR620 measure the ADEV of an oscillator, if the oscillator is of a similar or better than the reference fed into the SR620? I see plots of ADEV for hydrogen masers, but I can't understand how this can be measured from