Re: [time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient, after power is removed?

2014-10-03 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Hi All, Considering this old stuff was that good, what's the best that's currently available now? How does that compare to the best that's ever been? Dan On 10/3/2014 7:19 AM, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Tom, Nice performance. Wish we could get that today! My fairly modern BVA is

Re: [time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient, after power is removed?

2014-10-03 Thread Azelio Boriani
The best now is the 8607 BVA OCXO from Oscilloquartz (now part of ADVA optical networking). On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Dan Kemppainen d...@irtelemetrics.com wrote: Hi All, Considering this old stuff was that good, what's the best that's currently available now? How does that compare to

Re: [time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient after power is removed?

2014-10-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 10/02/2014 06:03 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 10/1/2014 1:04 PM, Hal Murray wrote: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk said: Anyway, later today (tomorrow ??) I will post a plot of frequency vs time. The question is though, how long is thing thing likely to take too cool? I'd

Re: [time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient after power is removed?

2014-10-02 Thread Tom Van Baak
The most extreme example of slow ovenized oscillator warm-up I've seen is the vintage hp106. These mid-1960's oscillators were designed as the ultimate, hp way, pre-atomic, frequency standard -- expected to be powered up, uninterrupted, for years and decades. So there was no hurry in the

Re: [time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient after power is removed?

2014-10-02 Thread Said Jackson via time-nuts
Tom, Nice performance. Wish we could get that today! My fairly modern BVA is nowhere near that stability. If you open up a brand new DOCXO you will see a crystal designed in the 70's and an oscillator circuit designed sometime in the 30's or 40's, maybe updated to a more or less modern

Re: [time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient after power is removed?

2014-10-02 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
Len Cutler was pretty much allowed to do whatever he wanted on the HP106 and he produced the proverbial doomsday machine. I think the SR-71 analogy is good here, except that Kelly Johnson had a lot more support from his management. Len always wanted to make an optically pumped cesium as his

Re: [time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient after power is removed?

2014-10-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That 106 comes up *fast*. Take a look at the GR equivalent if you want to see slow….. Bob On Oct 2, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: The most extreme example of slow ovenized oscillator warm-up I've seen is the vintage hp106. These mid-1960's oscillators were

[time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient after power is removed?

2014-10-01 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Following on from my question the other day about the type of oscillator in the HP 8720D VNA, I finally got around to setting this up on the spectrum analyzer today. Luckily, some software I wrote back in 2008 for a friends HP 7 system was easy to modify to grab the save the frequency. So I

Re: [time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient after power is removed?

2014-10-01 Thread Tim Shoppa
Typical 10811 warm-up time is circa 10 minutes; cool-down time is actually several times longer (since there is no active cool-downer in the case!) More modern, smaller OCXO's will warm up and cool down more quickly. If it's a double oven or user has added extra insulation around the basic OCXO,

Re: [time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient after power is removed?

2014-10-01 Thread Hal Murray
drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk said: Anyway, later today (tomorrow ??) I will post a plot of frequency vs time. The question is though, how long is thing thing likely to take too cool? I'd expect an exponential decay so you need to specify how close to ambient you want to get. I'd guess a

Re: [time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient after power is removed?

2014-10-01 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 10/1/2014 1:04 PM, Hal Murray wrote: drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk said: Anyway, later today (tomorrow ??) I will post a plot of frequency vs time. The question is though, how long is thing thing likely to take too cool? I'd expect an exponential decay so you need to specify how close to

Re: [time-nuts] How long do ovens take to cool to ambient after power is removed?

2014-10-01 Thread Tom Van Baak
I'd expect an exponential decay so you need to specify how close to ambient you want to get. I'd guess a ballpark of 10x the warm up rate. You can probably measure it if you have the warmup graph. Turn it off, wait a while, turn it on, measure the freq, consult warmup graph. Some older