Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-02 Thread wb6bnq
Hi Brooke, The can style should be marked on it. The designation CR41 or 2 is hanging around the back of my mind. I would have to drag up the few I have around here somewhere and look at them again. 73BillWB6BNQ Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Speaking of old crystals, I found the

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi One would assume that the rest of the world also made a few crystals during the same period. Bob On Aug 1, 2013, at 10:41 PM, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: pete wrote: I can't find it but I saw a reference to how may units were made during WWII, does

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-02 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 31/07/13 23:59, Alberto di Bene wrote: A really fascinating story in pictures of the preparation and manufacture of quartz crystals for radio communication. Dating back to 1943... how times have changed... Copied from another list.

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-02 Thread Pete Lancashire
A paper on the effort in WWII and some of the problems ... millions f the unetched units were destroyed... http://www.ieee-uffc.org/main/history-bottom.asp On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Alberto di Bene dib...@usa.net wrote: A really fascinating story in pictures of the preparation and

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The story of the crystal etching process is true, and Dr. Bottom did play a part in it. He also spent a *lot* of the next decades publicizing all of that. Others who were there at the time had slightly different stories to tell, at least in private. Bob On Aug 2, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Pete

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-02 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 31/07/13 23:59, Alberto di Bene wrote: A really fascinating story in pictures of the preparation and manufacture of quartz crystals for radio communication. Dating back to 1943... how times have

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-01 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The X-Ray process does nothing good to the crystal. It's impact is highly dependent on how dirty the crystal is. Bob On Aug 1, 2013, at 4:14 AM, Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com wrote: Alberto wrote: A really fascinating story in pictures of the preparation and

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-01 Thread Alan Melia
- Original Message - From: Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated Bob wrote: The X-Ray

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-01 Thread Bob Camp
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated Bob wrote: The X-Ray process does nothing good to the crystal. It's impact is highly dependent on how dirty the crystal is. Bob, Do you have authoritative references

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-01 Thread Bob Camp
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 11:54 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated Alan wrote: all crystals would have been subject to X-rays to some extent because this was how the planes were located

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-01 Thread Tom Clifton
-- Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 19:14:58 -0400 From: Bob Camp 2) I'll *guarantee* that the workers in the pictures didn't show up for work on a normal work day dressed like that.

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-01 Thread Alan Melia
not be allowed!. Alan - Original Message - From: Charles P. Steinmetz charles_steinm...@lavabit.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated Alan wrote

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-01 Thread Pete Lancashire
I can't find it but I saw a reference to how may units were made during WWII, does anyone have the number and the reference ? -pete On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Alberto di Bene dib...@usa.net wrote: A really fascinating story in pictures of the preparation and manufacture of quartz

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-01 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: Speaking of old crystals, I found the crystal in the URC-4 survival radio is packaged in an axial lead machined metal can. See Fig. 9 at: http://www.prc68.com/I/URC4.html or go straight to the photo at: http://www.prc68.com/I/Images/URC410b.jpg Does anyone know the package designation and

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-01 Thread Chuck Harris
I don't remember the package designation anymore, but it was common among navy receivers, such as the URR-27, 33, 35... -Chuck Harris Brooke Clarke wrote: Hi: Speaking of old crystals, I found the crystal in the URC-4 survival radio is packaged in an axial lead machined metal can. See Fig. 9

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-08-01 Thread David J Taylor
See: http://www.prc68.com/I/Images/URC407b.jpg Ah, for the days when circuit diagrams were supplied with the unit! David GM8ARV -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk

[time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-07-31 Thread Alberto di Bene
A really fascinating story in pictures of the preparation and manufacture of quartz crystals for radio communication. Dating back to 1943... how times have changed... Copied from another list. http://archive.org/details/6101_Crystals_Go_to_War_01_20_16_21 73 Alberto I2PHD

Re: [time-nuts] How quartz crystals are (were) fabricated

2013-07-31 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Some things change, some things don't. A few interesting things: 1) The film was made after they figured out that final etch was a key step. Earlier in the war - not so much etch. 2) I'll *guarantee* that the workers in the pictures didn't show up for work on a normal work day dressed like