Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking interconnect

2012-06-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 06/29/2012 01:37 AM, Jim Lux wrote: On 6/28/12 3:22 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Bill, On 06/29/2012 12:07 AM, Bill Dailey wrote: Guys, I am looking for info on injection locking. I have been searching around for info. I found an article that probably answers my question but I can't get to

Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking interconnect

2012-06-28 Thread Don Latham
Don't run it over your toes! snip > > > There's an interesting paper out there using a bunch (half dozen?) > magnetrons as a microwave weed killer, where they all locked to each > other, so the power was appropriately combined with minimal loss. > > > > ___

Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking interconnect

2012-06-28 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/28/12 3:22 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: Bill, On 06/29/2012 12:07 AM, Bill Dailey wrote: Guys, I am looking for info on injection locking. I have been searching around for info. I found an article that probably answers my question but I can't get to it. http://www.oldcitypublishing.com/

Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking interconnect

2012-06-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
Bill, On 06/29/2012 12:07 AM, Bill Dailey wrote: Guys, I am looking for info on injection locking. I have been searching around for info. I found an article that probably answers my question but I can't get to it. http://www.oldcitypublishing.com/FullText/JAPEDfulltext/JAPED2.1fulltext/11-

Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking interconnect

2012-06-28 Thread Jim Lux
On 6/28/12 3:07 PM, Bill Dailey wrote: Guys, I am looking for info on injection locking. I have been searching around for info. I found an article that probably answers my question but I can't get to it. http://www.oldcitypublishing.com/FullText/JAPEDfulltext/JAPED2.1fulltext/11-24pp%20GC05

[time-nuts] Injection locking interconnect

2012-06-28 Thread Bill Dailey
Guys, I am looking for info on injection locking. I have been searching around for info. I found an article that probably answers my question but I can't get to it. http://www.oldcitypublishing.com/FullText/JAPEDfulltext/JAPED2.1fulltext/11-24pp%20GC05-06%20%28Rajput%29.pdf Can anyone give

Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking

2010-02-11 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi: A continuation of the idea of using something other than a square wave is what Don Lancaster promoted that were called "Magic Sine Waves". The idea is to come up with a waveform that maximizes the desired output sine frequency while greatly suppressing the low order harmonics. The resul

Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking

2010-02-11 Thread Bob Camp
Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Didier Juges Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:42 AM To: Time-Nuts Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking This link will show you the effect of duty cycle on harmonic content:

Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking

2010-02-11 Thread Didier Juges
:09:48 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking Kit Scally wrote: > ... > > On a related topic, I found some while ago - and promptly lost - a > graph/chart showing harmonic level variations with varying duty-cycle of > an

Re: [time-nuts] injection locking

2010-02-11 Thread Joop
Kit VK2LL wrote: >Theory suggests that lock sensitivity could be improved in this instance >if the 10MHz duty cycle was changed from 1:1 to 6 or 7:1, the idea being >that the narrower pulse should be <0.5 period of the frequency of the >oscillator to be locked. Ah, that triggers some thought. I

Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking

2010-02-11 Thread Rex
Kit Scally wrote: ... On a related topic, I found some while ago - and promptly lost - a graph/chart showing harmonic level variations with varying duty-cycle of an input waveform. This was to some degree a graphical representation of the Wenzel document referenced by Bruce recently. Has anyon

Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking

2010-02-10 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
f an array of coupled mechanical oscillators. > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Kit Scally > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:55 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Cc: Kit Scally > Subject: [time-n

Re: [time-nuts] Injection locking

2010-02-10 Thread Lux, Jim (337C)
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Kit Scally > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 3:55 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Cc: Kit Scally > Subject: [time-nuts] Injection locking > > Hi, >

[time-nuts] Injection locking

2010-02-10 Thread Kit Scally
Hi, As others have already noted, there's a paucity of circuits or down to earth advice on this topic - unless your poison is "millimetre wave" technology. I set out to GPS-lock my Icom 706 transceiver some while ago. This uses a (single) hi-stability master 30MHz xtal oscillator. With support

Re: [time-nuts] injection locking

2010-02-10 Thread Joop
.htm > >Best regards >Ulrich > >> -Ursprungliche Nachricht- >> Von: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com >> [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] Im Auftrag von Joop >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 13:50 >> An: time-nuts at febo.com >> Betreff: [tim

Re: [time-nuts] injection locking

2010-02-10 Thread Don Latham
-Ursprungliche Nachricht- >> Von: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com >> [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von Joop >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 13:50 >> An: time-nuts@febo.com >> Betreff: [time-nuts] injection locking >> >> >> >

Re: [time-nuts] injection locking

2010-02-10 Thread Ulrich Bangert
oun...@febo.com] Im Auftrag von Joop > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2010 13:50 > An: time-nuts@febo.com > Betreff: [time-nuts] injection locking > > > >You can even build an injection locked divide by 5 stage. > Choosing the > >right oscillator topology and injec

Re: [time-nuts] injection locking

2010-02-10 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Bob Camp wrote: > That's the problem. There's no debate that you can injection lock oscillators. The problem is that the analytic side of designing an injection lock system is a bit lacking. Rohde has in [1] a deluge of math on mutually coupled resonators and oscillators, including noise an

Re: [time-nuts] injection locking

2010-02-10 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That's the problem. There's no debate that you can injection lock oscillators. The problem is that the analytic side of designing an injection lock system is a bit lacking. With a PLL there's an over abundance of information on how to do the design, how to analyze it, and how to test it.

[time-nuts] injection locking

2010-02-10 Thread Joop
>You can even build an injection locked divide by 5 stage. >Choosing the right oscillator topology and injection method allows high >level injection to be used with an LC oscillator. > >Bruce > Are there references to some practical circuits? That would be great. A google search on "injection lo

[time-nuts] Injection Locking

2010-02-02 Thread Murray Greenman
Frank, As Bruce suggests, you can in theory lock any rational number ratio, including 11/5 and 21/5. However, the locking gain drops off as the ratio becomes more extreme, and thus the lock range and potential stability are degraded. Yes, you could certainly use a regenerative divider to generate