Re: [time-nuts] Lab Test Equipment

2010-07-20 Thread Said Jackson
Hi there xx,

A 2 channel scope with 2ns per division and ext trigger input would already 
give you very precise performance data of all three sources against each other..

That's the low-cost solution. On the high end look to buy a Symmetricom 
Tsc-5115a analyzer.

Bye Said 

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On Jul 19, 2010, at 21:54, Heathkid heath...@heathkid.com wrote:

 Hello.  I'm new to this list but have 3 Rb standards and am looking at 
 measuring time (or drift between them).  What is the most important piece of 
 NIST calibrated test equipment I need to own?  Is 3 enough using two Rb 
 standards as a reference/control group (considering the 3rd can vote before 
 being exposed to experiments)?
 
 Thanks... 
 
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Re: [time-nuts] Lab Test Equipment

2010-07-20 Thread Said Jackson
Forgot to mention:

With the below two instruments you can adjust two of your Rb's so that all have 
the same frequency by adjusting them so that there is no phase drift over long 
time periods.

You will need to discipline one or more of them to gps to know if this 
frequency is actually accurate against a Nist standard. If they have a 1 pps 
input such as the Prs-10 Rb then this is very easy to do.

Bye said

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On Jul 20, 2010, at 0:20, Said Jackson saidj...@aol.com wrote:

 Hi there xx,
 
 A 2 channel scope with 2ns per division and ext trigger input would already 
 give you very precise performance data of all three sources against each 
 other..
 
 That's the low-cost solution. On the high end look to buy a Symmetricom 
 Tsc-5115a analyzer.
 
 Bye Said 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 19, 2010, at 21:54, Heathkid heath...@heathkid.com wrote:
 
 Hello.  I'm new to this list but have 3 Rb standards and am looking at 
 measuring time (or drift between them).  What is the most important piece of 
 NIST calibrated test equipment I need to own?  Is 3 enough using two Rb 
 standards as a reference/control group (considering the 3rd can vote before 
 being exposed to experiments)?
 
 Thanks... 
 
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Re: [time-nuts] Lab Test Equipment

2010-07-20 Thread Peter Vince
Hello, and welcome to the group, and what I find an endlessly
fascinating subject.

Said's suggestion of using a 'scope is fine, but is mind-numbingly
tedious (I've done it!)  I think you need a frequency counter/timer
whose readings can be output to a computer for subsequent analysis.
There are lots to choose from, but I use some old HP (now Agilent)
53131 and 53132 counters.  These have a very simple serial port that
spits out the data for easy reading by any terminal emulator program.
You can then go away and leave the system logging the results, and
come back days or weeks later to analyse it.  Analysis is a big
subject, and pretty much the gold standard is Bill Wriley's Stable32
(http://www.wriley.com/)

I don't think you need NIST calibrated equipment.  Even if you had
something, it would drift eventually - and likely quite soon for
measuring rubidiums.  Far better, I believe, to get yourself a GPS
disciplined oscillator.  Short term, its timing will be a bit noisy,
but long term it is locked to the ultimate references.  Many in this
group have a Trimble Thunderbolt which are readily available on ebay.
See, for example, ebay item number 290308733659, which is a complete
kit of Thunderbolt, power supply, and antenna, being sold by Bob Mokia
(ebay seller fluke.l) - another time-nut in China.

 Peter


On 20 July 2010 05:54, Heathkid heath...@heathkid.com wrote:
 Hello.  I'm new to this list but have 3 Rb standards and am looking at
 measuring time (or drift between them).  What is the most important piece of
 NIST calibrated test equipment I need to own?  Is 3 enough using two Rb
 standards as a reference/control group (considering the 3rd can vote before
 being exposed to experiments)?

 Thanks...

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[time-nuts] Lab Test Equipment

2010-07-19 Thread Heathkid
Hello.  I'm new to this list but have 3 Rb standards and am looking at 
measuring time (or drift between them).  What is the most important piece of 
NIST calibrated test equipment I need to own?  Is 3 enough using two Rb 
standards as a reference/control group (considering the 3rd can vote before 
being exposed to experiments)?


Thanks... 



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