Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Dave Ackrill
M. Warner Losh wrote: I'd try the FreeBSD distribution of Linux. Thanks for the suggestions to use something else, but not an option. Like I say, I *have* fedora, I'm not planning to uninstall it as it was installed for me and I don't want the hassle. HI Dave (G0DJA)

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4a0d0fa0.3020...@tiscali.co.uk Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk writes: : M. Warner Losh wrote: : : I'd try the FreeBSD distribution of Linux. : : Thanks for the suggestions to use something else, but not an option. : : Like I say, I *have* fedora, I'm not planning

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Jason Rabel
Dave, Fedora will be fine as a basic network time server. If NTP isn't already installed on the system, all you have to do is type (as root): yum install ntp The default config usually queries the NTP Pool. Depending on where you live you might want to edit the file to use only your country's

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread phil
- Original Message - From: M. Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com To: time-nuts@febo.com; dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:02 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers In message: 4a0d0fa0.3020...@tiscali.co.uk Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Folkert van Heusden
You might consider switching to FreeBSD for more reasons than just timing, It's much faster than Fedora and I found the new 7.1 version easy much faster in what respect? tested how? Folkert van Heusden -- www.vanheusden.com/multitail - multitail is tail on steroids. multiple

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Steve Rooke
2009/5/16 phil fort...@bellsouth.net - Original Message - From: M. Warner Losh i...@bsdimp.com To: time-nuts@febo.com; dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:02 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers In message: 4a0d0fa0.3020...@tiscali.co.uk

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Folkert van Heusden
Anyone got any good Linux time systems for PCs ? Make sure you have a recent kernel installed with the PPS patch applied: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == *127.127.20.1

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090515142600.gg2...@vanheusden.com Folkert van Heusden folk...@vanheusden.com writes: : You might consider switching to FreeBSD for more reasons than just : timing, It's much faster than Fedora and I found the new 7.1 version easy : : much faster in what respect?

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Folkert van Heusden
: You might consider switching to FreeBSD for more reasons than just : timing, It's much faster than Fedora and I found the new 7.1 version easy : : much faster in what respect? tested how? The usual benchmark that's cited here is the mysql tps scaling better than Linux. See for

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090515152610.gi2...@vanheusden.com Folkert van Heusden folk...@vanheusden.com writes: : : You might consider switching to FreeBSD for more reasons than just : : timing, It's much faster than Fedora and I found the new 7.1 version easy : : : : much faster in what

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20090515152610.gi2...@vanheusden.com, Folkert van Heusden writes: What would be interesting is how a specific linux-kernel with the pps patches by rodolpho compare to a specific freebsd version with the same ntpd compiled using the same gcc and such. I think first of all, it would be

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20090515.095406.-1739011364@bsdimp.com, M. Warner Losh write s: When FreeBSD switched from gcc 3.x to gcc 4.x, I did measurements of the ability of the kernel to track a PPS (also changes with the major revision of the kernel). I found that there was no measurable difference

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Folkert van Heusden
What would be interesting is how a specific linux-kernel with the pps patches by rodolpho compare to a specific freebsd version with the same ntpd compiled using the same gcc and such. I think first of all, it would be interesting what your quality parameters are... Prescision ?

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 20090515161538.gk2...@vanheusden.com, Folkert van Heusden writes: What would be interesting is how a specific linux-kernel with the pps patches by rodolpho compare to a specific freebsd version with the same ntpd compiled using the same gcc and such. I think first of all, it would

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread bg
Anyone got any good Linux time systems for PCs ? Make sure you have a recent kernel installed with the PPS patch applied: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ==

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread bg
What would be interesting is how a specific linux-kernel with the pps patches by rodolpho compare to a specific freebsd version with the same ntpd compiled using the same gcc and such. I think first of all, it would be interesting what your quality parameters are... Prescision ?

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread Hal Murray
The _sore_ thing is that with 2.4.x-nano kernels offsets/jitter got that good within minutes. Now many years later it takes days... :-( I think that's a bug introduced by the tickless scheduler work. For my daytime use of ntp, convergence in less than 5 minutes is essential. Due to some

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-15 Thread bg
The _sore_ thing is that with 2.4.x-nano kernels offsets/jitter got that good within minutes. Now many years later it takes days... :-( I think that's a bug introduced by the tickless scheduler work. For my daytime use of ntp, convergence in less than 5 minutes is essential. Due to some

[time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Dave Ackrill
Anyone got any good Linux time systems for PCs ? I now have a PC on my home system that has Linux fedora on it and I'm keen to learn how to make it a useful new member of my network. I did dabble with Redhat Linux once before in the 1990s, and still have the scars to show for it, so please

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
I now have a PC on my home system that has Linux fedora on it and I'm keen to learn how to make it a useful new member of my network. It's probably already running ntpd and setup to get time from a few pool machines out on the net. Start by doing: ntpq -p If that works, look in

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Robert Darlington
RedHat in the 90s was terrible. It's much better now. Last thing I read about ntp was that it was kind of broken for high precision stuff on Linux and people tend to use FreeBSD. I duplicated the work of one of the time-nuts by following his site here: http://www.febo.com/pages/soekris/ Even

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 4a0c7a74.50...@tiscali.co.uk Dave Ackrill dave.g0...@tiscali.co.uk writes: : Anyone got any good Linux time systems for PCs ? : : I now have a PC on my home system that has Linux fedora on it and I'm : keen to learn how to make it a useful new member of my network. : : I

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Randy Scott
rdarling...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:23 PM RedHat in the 90s was terrible.  It's much better now. Last thing I read about ntp was that it was kind

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Mike S
At 05:24 PM 5/14/2009, M. Warner Losh wrote... I'd try the FreeBSD distribution of Linux. Ouch. In some circles, those are fightin' words. FreeBSD is _not_ Linux, in any way except being Unix-like. ___ time-nuts mailing list --

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
Is there any consensus for the reasons why Linux performs poorly? I was thinking about setting up a server as well (possibly using a little ARM-based single-board computer that runs Linux). Consensus? I doubt it. My reading. Lots of cooks. None of them are time geeks. There are a lot

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090514220030.68e47b...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net writes: : : Is there any consensus for the reasons why Linux performs poorly? I : was thinking about setting up a server as well (possibly using a : little ARM-based

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
I'd try the FreeBSD distribution of Linux. Ouch. In some circles, those are fightin' words. I interpreted it as a joke, like telling a Windows user to install Service Pack Linux. If all you want is to run a time server, FreeBSD will do a better job than Linux. In particular, the Soekris

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread Bob Marinelli
...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time- n...@febo.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 4:23 PM RedHat in the 90s was terrible. It's much better now. Last thing I read about ntp was that it was kind of broken for high precision

Re: [time-nuts] Linux time servers

2009-05-14 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: 20090514223310.0d552b...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net writes: : I'd try the FreeBSD distribution of Linux. : Ouch. In some circles, those are fightin' words. : : I interpreted it as a joke, like telling a Windows user to install