Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 11/05/2012 06:30 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Ah, I see what you mean now. Yes, that setup can give you a rough estimate of the counter's noise floor. I can't give you specific numbers but one danger with this sort of test is that the input and the timebase are artificially locked together

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-05 Thread Bill Dailey
Thanks guys, Like usual more complicated than I thought. I was hoping that this would cancel any stability issues common to both the reference and the signal thus giving me best case ability. I seem to be getting numbers too good to be true so there must be a hitch. I get an ADEV 5x10-13 at 1

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-05 Thread Azelio Boriani
Try this setup: feed the GPSDO into A and B inputs but not to the reference. That is, use the counter internal reference to time the difference so that you have an uncorrelated source that can span all the interpolator's nonlinearities. On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Bill Dailey

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-05 Thread Bob Camp
Hi As a practical example - a SR620 will look much better reading it's own reference than it will looking at almost anything else. That said, it's still a good idea to make sure the counter looks good reading it's own reference. If it doesn't look good, then you need to fix something. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-05 Thread Mark Spencer
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Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Bob, On 11/05/2012 01:30 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi As a practical example - a SR620 will look much better reading it's own reference than it will looking at almost anything else. That said, it's still a good idea to make sure the counter looks good reading it's own reference. If it doesn't

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-05 Thread Brian Kirby
I would measure the counter both ways to characterize it, and you may learn a little more about how it reacts. Use its internal oscillator for the counter, apply the same 1PPS signal to both inputs. Use an external time base for the counter, apply the same 1 PPS to both inputs - make sure

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-05 Thread David
On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:14:04 +0100, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: Hi Bob, On 11/05/2012 01:30 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi As a practical example - a SR620 will look much better reading it's own reference than it will looking at almost anything else. That said, it's still a

[time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-04 Thread Bill Dailey
If I use a gpsdo as my reference and feed the same 10MHz into a counter does that yield the reference independent noise floor of the measuring system? Seems to me it would look like an ideal reference with respect to the measuring system. Thanks, Doc KX0O

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
as the reference instead of the internal XO timebase of the counter. /tvb - Original Message - From: Bill Dailey docdai...@gmail.com To: Time Nuts time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself If I use a gpsdo as my reference and feed

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-04 Thread Bill Dailey
of the counter. /tvb - Original Message - From: Bill Dailey docdai...@gmail.com To: Time Nuts time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself If I use a gpsdo as my reference and feed the same 10MHz into a counter does

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-04 Thread Hal Murray
docdai...@gmail.com said: I guess what I am saying is if I discipline the counter with 10MHz and then measure the same 10MHz. Just making sure we are on the same page. The input signal will be at a fixed offset from the reference clock. That offset will depend on cable lengths. If that

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-04 Thread WB6BNQ
as the reference instead of the internal XO timebase of the counter. /tvb - Original Message - From: Bill Dailey docdai...@gmail.com To: Time Nuts time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself If I use a gpsdo as my

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-04 Thread Tom Van Baak
-nuts@febo.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself I guess what I am saying is if I discipline the counter with 10MHz and then measure the same 10MHz. Just making sure we are on the same page. Doc Sent from my iPad On Nov 4, 2012, at 10:22