Re: [time-nuts] NIST's WWVB phase modulation format paper from PTTI 2011

2012-03-15 Thread Jim Hickstein
 If I'm right, that's another broken egg in the frequency reference 
basket.


I read the paper, but I could use an expert ruling from the list:

What does this actually mean for my Spectracom 8170 and Spectracom 8164, 
i.e. the twins?  The latter I frankly don't use much (I'm early in the 
time-nuts disease progression), but the 8170 I want to continue to rely 
on, at least to set itself.  A little phase noise I can tolerate.  But 
the recent transmission-format experiments coincided (to a first 
approximation) with the recent coronal mass ejection that knocked the 
8170 on its ass for most of a week, so my observations are not conclusive.


The circuit (still a-building) to set my SWCC clock will take the 1PPS 
edge, but the speed of the solenoid, not to mention the time constant of 
the current-loop, I'm sure vastly outweighs this new source of error. 
Right?  Will the strip-chart recorder on the 8164 provide a new source 
of amusement, as it tries to plot the 180-degree phase changes every second?


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[time-nuts] NIST's WWVB phase modulation format paper from PTTI 2011

2012-03-14 Thread John Seamons
Here is a copy of the paper NIST co-authored describing the new WWVB phase 
modulation format:
http://jks.com/wwvb.pdf  (2MB PDF)

John Lowe from NIST said I could redistribute it to the list. It will be 
available on the NIST website sometime in April once the official PTTI 2011 
proceedings are published. When that happens I'll remove my link above and you 
can find the paper here:
http://tf.boulder.nist.gov/general/publications.htm  (search for Bin 
Number 2591)

Also of interest, a company contracted to help with the development will have 
silicon (and patents) at some point:

http://www.xtendwave.com/xtendwave-awarded-grant-for-atomic-clock-enhancements.html
http://www.xtendwave.com/atomictimekeeping.html


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Re: [time-nuts] NIST's WWVB phase modulation format paper from PTTI 2011

2012-03-14 Thread J. Forster
Has anybody looked at the impact of the periodic phase reversals of BPSK
on the loop of phase-tracking receivers, like the Fluke or the HP 117A?

NIST does claim backward compatability for time. But what about time
interval?

I know you can extract the carries from BPSK with a Costas Loop (which
essentially squares the signal and uses the second harmonic) but the
existing, installed hardware does not do this.

If I'm right, that's another broken egg in the frequency reference basket.

Best,

-John




 Here is a copy of the paper NIST co-authored describing the new WWVB phase
 modulation format:
   http://jks.com/wwvb.pdf  (2MB PDF)

 John Lowe from NIST said I could redistribute it to the list. It will be
 available on the NIST website sometime in April once the official PTTI
 2011 proceedings are published. When that happens I'll remove my link
 above and you can find the paper here:
   http://tf.boulder.nist.gov/general/publications.htm  (search for Bin
 Number 2591)

 Also of interest, a company contracted to help with the development will
 have silicon (and patents) at some point:
   
 http://www.xtendwave.com/xtendwave-awarded-grant-for-atomic-clock-enhancements.html
   http://www.xtendwave.com/atomictimekeeping.html


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