Re: [time-nuts] Noise contribution of PLL on measuring phase noise

2017-06-28 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Your op-amp noise is either 1/f sloped or flat spectrally. The EFC transfer function has a 1/f slope due to FM to PM conversion (you modulate FM and you look at PM). The noise out of the amp will roll off pretty fast. The gotcha is that your oscillator noise may also be rolling of pretty

Re: [time-nuts] Noise contribution of PLL on measuring phase noise

2017-06-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, The PLL acts like a combined lowpass and highpass filter. Noise in the loop is high-pass filtered, thus, the further down from the loop bandwidth, the better suppression of the noise. Noise on the reference input is low-pass filtered, so that it passes through DC and a bit more, but high

Re: [time-nuts] Noise contribution of PLL on measuring phase noise

2017-06-28 Thread Thomas S. Knutsen
Thank you Bob. I was thinking of the contribution outside the loop, as for most part my PLL loops are around 1Hz and resolving closer than 10Hz isn't easy with a analyzer that stops at 10Hz. I guess what I'm asking is: should I take any care in the unity gain buffers or would any normal garden

Re: [time-nuts] Noise contribution of PLL on measuring phase noise

2017-06-28 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Ok, let’s back up a bit: There are two basic regions when measuring a phase locked oscillator. You can be “inside” the loop bandwidth or “outside”. Yes it’s a bit more complex than that, but go with the idea for now. Inside the bandwidth, everything about the PLL can / may matter. It can

[time-nuts] Noise contribution of PLL on measuring phase noise

2017-06-28 Thread Thomas S. Knutsen
Hi. When measuring Phase Noise using PLL, what noise would be contribuded from the PLL into the amplifier? Lets say we disconnect the control voltage from the oscillator, shouldn't the input stage of the PLL contribute some, altough miniscule part to the total noise seen? Would this noise be