Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , David Kirkby writes: >On 8 December 2012 08:36, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> And one other detail most people overlook, is that the default GPL text >> gives any users the right to use any later version of the GPL license >> instead of the one you copy&pasted. This has on

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-08 Thread David Kirkby
On 8 December 2012 08:36, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > And one other detail most people overlook, is that the default GPL text > gives any users the right to use any later version of the GPL license > instead of the one you copy&pasted. This has only happened once but > it had ground-shaking reper

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-08 Thread David Kirkby
On 8 December 2012 01:09, Chris Albertson wrote: > BTW you CAN make as much money as you like with GPL'd software. Just look > at all Android phones. They contain Linux and a pile of other GPL'd > software. Apple is using BSD Unix in there products. That's an important point, and something th

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-08 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Chris Albertson writes: >Many authors ike GPL because they figure "I wrote this and I'm giving this >away for free, I don't want some other guy to take it, change the title and >claim it as his own work and charge money for it." > BSD on the other hand allows it The Univ

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-07 Thread Chris Albertson
Yes, GPL is just one of many Open Source license types. Others include 1) GPL (may only be used for other GPL'd projects) 2) "BSD" style (allows use for any purpose, buy you can't sue the author) 3) Public Domain (totally unrestricted use) 4) Various Creative Commons versions some allow comercial

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-07 Thread Mike S
On 12/7/2012 5:26 PM, Scott McGrath wrote: Well the GPL crowd has kind of conflated open source with code licensed under the GPL. And yes I have met Richard Stallman on many occasions. And I'm sure he would also disagree on my definition of open source You're confusing the two. Stallman promot

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-07 Thread Scott McGrath
Well the GPL crowd has kind of conflated open source with code licensed under the GPL. And yes I have met Richard Stallman on many occasions. And I'm sure he would also disagree on my definition of open source Heck under those terms code released under the BSD license does not qualify as 'open

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-07 Thread gary
Not by the most commonly accepted definition: http://opensource.org/docs/osd The no discrimination clause is interesting. That explains the bizarre "white power" linux distribution. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-07 Thread Mike S
On 12/7/2012 4:08 PM, Scott McGrath wrote: that was my point code is open source means open for inspection by end-user. The tool chain is irrelevant unless it comes from GPL or similar licenses. Back in the mainframe days most code was proprietary but distributed to customer in the form of so

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-07 Thread Scott McGrath
that was my point code is open source means open for inspection by end-user. The tool chain is irrelevant unless it comes from GPL or similar licenses. Back in the mainframe days most code was proprietary but distributed to customer in the form of source code to be compiled by the end user.

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-07 Thread David Kirkby
On 7 December 2012 15:00, Scott McGrath wrote:> > What most people think about when they hear about open source is code > released under variants of the GPL which require that code released to the > public built with GPL tools be made available for no more than the cost of > distribution ie yo

Re: [time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-07 Thread Scott McGrath
GPL and Open Source are frequently confused technically any code where the source code is available to the customer is open source. As in open for inspection, under terms agreed to in the license. What most people think about when they hear about open source is code released under variants of

Re: [time-nuts] Open source GPSDO

2012-12-06 Thread Chris Albertson
We need a real, Open Source GPSDO that uses an open source tool chain. Cost is not the issue it is the ability to modify and redistribute the modified copy that is what's needed. On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Murray Greenman wrote: > Keenan, > You can see my GPSDO source code for a mere $50.

[time-nuts] Open source

2012-12-06 Thread Murray Greenman
My mistake was inferring that my GPSDO software was open source. It's absolutely not. It is proprietary to me and written in AVR assembler. There is no reference anywhere in it to any libraries from any other source. So don't get too excited. You can still see what's inside it for $50, but you

Re: [time-nuts] Open source GPSDO

2012-12-06 Thread Chuck Harris
The Open Source tool chain is generally GCC, its libraries, and debuggers. Closed source use of the GCC tool chain is done all the time, but there are numerous gotchas that catch the unwary. Some of the libraries are covered by the Lesser GPL license, and as such are available for that kind of u

Re: [time-nuts] Open source GPSDO

2012-12-06 Thread Bob Camp
vid Kirkby Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Open source GPSDO On 6 December 2012 20:33, Chuck Harris wrote: > If by OpenSource he means that he used the OpenSource > tool chain, and libraries, and then

Re: [time-nuts] Open source GPSDO

2012-12-06 Thread gary
GPL violations are a good thing. That is how the FSF makes money. ;-) http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Cisco-settles-with-FSF-on-GPL-violations/ ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bi

Re: [time-nuts] Open source GPSDO

2012-12-06 Thread David Kirkby
On 6 December 2012 20:33, Chuck Harris wrote: > If by OpenSource he means that he used the OpenSource > tool chain, and libraries, and then is keeping his source > and executables closed, he may be in violation of > the GNU licenses. > > -Chuck Harris According to the web page http://www.qsl.net

Re: [time-nuts] Open source GPSDO

2012-12-06 Thread Chuck Harris
If by OpenSource he means that he used the OpenSource tool chain, and libraries, and then is keeping his source and executables closed, he may be in violation of the GNU licenses. -Chuck Harris David Kirkby wrote: On 6 December 2012 18:28, Murray Greenman wrote: Keenan, You can see my GPSDO s

Re: [time-nuts] Open source GPSDO

2012-12-06 Thread David Kirkby
On 6 December 2012 18:28, Murray Greenman wrote: > Keenan, > You can see my GPSDO source code for a mere $50. It comes with manual and > executables. The executables alone are $20. > > See http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MICRO/SIMPLE/SimpleGPS.htm Murray , There's a huge difference between open-source

[time-nuts] Open source GPSDO

2012-12-06 Thread Murray Greenman
Keenan, You can see my GPSDO source code for a mere $50. It comes with manual and executables. The executables alone are $20. See http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MICRO/SIMPLE/SimpleGPS.htm While this design does not use a Kalmann filter, it has pretty good holdover, and you can see how the phase de