Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2011-01-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
All, this has drifted way off track and should have stopped many messages ago. I really hate having to jump in here but I've been getting well-justified private complaints. Can we *please* try to keep things on topic??? John J. Forster said the following on 01/01/2011 12:14 AM: HNY,

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2011-01-03 Thread EWKehren
Happy New Year every one. It is not the GPS, it is clearly the database, and short of a detailed survey of every address there will be variations. As Google enhances it's database I am sure so will the Navigator sellers. We have come a long way and we are getting spoiled. Bert Kehren Miami

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2011-01-03 Thread Charles P. Steinmetz
Dick wrote: Most of the destinations I program in, by address, work well. Most of the time, I get led right to the door. So why can't it figure out where I live ?? As others have pointed out, roads have generally been surveyed pretty accurately but houses have not, except in heavily

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2011-01-03 Thread William H. Fite
Thank you, Horst, for your voice of calm reason. The point that I raised (or tried to...) was that no data base of this size is capable of being error free, whether the unit cost of production is ten billion dollars or ten cents. Random error can be reduced but it can never be eliminated.

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2011-01-03 Thread William H. Fite
You are correct, John, and I apologize for my verbosity on the topic. Others may have the last word, if desired, I'm done. Bill On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:48 AM, John Ackermann N8UR j...@febo.com wrote: All, this has drifted way off track and should have stopped many messages ago. I really

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2010-12-31 Thread scmcgrath
My 0.02 These SAME maps are being used in E911 and other GIS systems so the poor workmanship which is so obvious here has the potential to put lives in danger. Most of the emergency response trucks up here have GPS systems with these maps onboard - not a problem for locals but if we needed

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2010-12-31 Thread gonzo .
A GPS is a precision device. A Navigator is a consumer device. To confuse the two is to fail to understand either. ian ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

[time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2010-12-31 Thread Arthur Dent
gonzo- A GPS is a precision device. A Navigator is a consumer device. To confuse the two is to fail to understand either. A navigator IS a GPS. Surveying GPSs may use carrier phase tracking or whatever to get about 2mm accuracy. Just because it is optimized for navigation instead of

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2010-12-31 Thread Horst Schmidt
Hi, first, a happy and hopefully healthy New Year to all of you. I think, some of you are going slightly overboard, in what you expect a $150 Dollar car navigator should do, I also don't believe some of you you realise what exactly it was designed to do. It is not a device to accurately

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2010-12-31 Thread Richard W. Solomon
...@iinet.net.au Sent: Dec 31, 2010 10:04 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack Hi, first, a happy and hopefully healthy New Year to all of you. I think, some of you are going slightly overboard, in what you expect a $150

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2010-12-31 Thread J. Forster
HNY, I disagree. The reason a high performance GPS costs 100K or more is that the engineering cost is ammortized over a few hundred units. Say the thing cost $10M to develop and you make 1000, that's $10,000 NRE per unit. However, if you have a successful commercial unit and sell 1,000,000 the

Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack

2010-12-31 Thread Horst Schmidt
@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Problems with Garmin - maybe we should cut them alittle slack Hi, first, a happy and hopefully healthy New Year to all of you. I think, some of you are going slightly overboard, in what you expect a $150 Dollar car navigator should do, I also don't believe some