Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-14 Thread xaos
Luciano, I will put this in OrCAD/CADENCE PSPICE over the weekend and see what it looks like. -George On 11/14/2014 02:53 AM, tim...@timeok.it wrote: George, you can replace the input transformer with the mini-circuits model T2-613-1-KK81 or T662-KK81 for under 2 Dollars. The inductors L1

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-13 Thread Bert Kehren via time-nuts
We are using Wenzel with two filters see attached if it will pass. 20 Mhz is down more than 60 db and 5 MHz 55. Distribution Amp takes care of the rest. Bert Kehren In a message dated 11/12/2014 8:13:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dgmin...@mediacombb.net writes: Just a few days

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-13 Thread timeok
Hi all, I can suggest a different solution I have tested to have some important improvement. First, the lower phase shift sensitivity with the use of a low pass filter in conjunction with two notch filters instead the high Q band pass filter, second the unity gain to avoid a 13/20 dB

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-13 Thread xaos
Luciano, This looks very nice. However, the inductors are custom made. It would be nice to have a off the shelf parts solution so it can be made easily. Any ideas ? -George, N2FGX On 11/13/2014 08:39 AM, tim...@timeok.it wrote: Hi all, I can suggest a different solution I have tested to have

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-13 Thread timeok
George, you can replace the input transformer with the mini-circuits model T2-613-1-KK81 or T662-KK81 for under 2 Dollars. The inductors L1 and L3 are standards value you can find smd or standard on ebay. About L4 you can put in place a standard 4.7uH value increasing the series capacitor for

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread Brian, WA1ZMS
Gentlemen- I have my paper copy in front of me with the original article. I am not certain that I can just scan it and send it around due to ARRL Author copyright matters. But I am willing to scan it. With all due respect to John, K6IQL the author who spent much time on his design..I would

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread Charles Steinmetz
John wrote: It is a cute technique, not originated by me, but useful. Indeed it is. I designed a similar one using a quadrature hybrid splitter and level 7 mixer, and it's almost scary how well it works. It's as cute as a regenerative divide by two using a DBM. Best regards, Charles

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread paul swed
I also appreciate the Wenzel circuit. Not seeing the other article, I might guess that maybe it offers suppression of the original 5 MHz signal as a benefit. It seems to be the equivalent of a digital XOR circuit with one lead delayed by 90 degrees. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread Dave M
Just a few days ago, I ordered parts to build a couple of the Wenzel 2-diode doublers, described in the same article as your full-wave diode doubler, just in time to discover them on Ebay (via slow boat from China), item# 171511157159. I inspected the components and layout in the picture in

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread paul swed
Looked it up and pretty amazing. Can't really say how well the ferrite will go down to 5. It should. Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: Just a few days ago, I ordered parts to build a couple of the Wenzel 2-diode doublers, described in the same

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The Wenzel doubler has a bit of “stuff” in the middle of the bridge. It’s tuned a bit to give it best performance at a specific frequency. It’s not narrowband, but it is not a 2:1 bandwidth. Bob On Nov 12, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Dave M dgmin...@mediacombb.net wrote: Just a few days ago, I

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread Bob Camp
Hi In the “as wired” configuration, that looks more like a full wave doubler than the full Wenzel tuned multiplier. You may be able to re-wire it for the full circuit. Bob On Nov 12, 2014, at 8:20 PM, paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com wrote: Looked it up and pretty amazing. Can't really say

Re: [time-nuts] Quad Driven Mixer 5 to 10 MHz Doubler Article

2014-11-12 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Brian wrote: Personally, I'm lazy and like the Wenzel full wave rectifier design with a nice BPF on the output to obtain a clean 10MHz. The advantage of the multiplier circuit is that the signal straight out of the mixer has excellent harmonic and 5MHz suppression. In my circuit with the