Re: [time-nuts] Tracor 527A and 10MHz reference input

2017-06-25 Thread David C. Partridge
I will add the information that my 527A is totally deaf when fed with 10MHz 
sine wave from my t hunderbolt (no 5MHz output from input stage).

D.
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From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of paul swed
Sent: 25 June 2017 20:36
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Tracor 527A and 10MHz reference input

Dave will guess you are sub sampling the 10 Mhz ref.
Yes it should be 4.7K. Not sure why but old military gear resistors were like 
that. Circa 1942 at least in schematics I have seen.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 2:25 PM, David C. Partridge < 
david.partri...@perdrix.co.uk> wrote:

> Yes, does indeed look like it should be 4K7!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of David C.
> Partridge
> Sent: 25 June 2017 18:50
> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
> Subject: [time-nuts] Tracor 527A and 10MHz reference input
>
> A friend says his Tracor 527A works fine with a 10MHz Ref input even 
> though it doesn't have the divide by 2 circuit from the addendum to 
> the 527E manual applied.
>
> I'm puzzled by this - I can't quite see how the reference input 
> circuit can produce a 5MHz output when fed with 10MHz (unless his 
> reference source has a large 5MHz sub-harmonic).
>
> Am I missing something here?
>
> On a related note, the schematic for the divide by 2 circuit in the 
> front of the 527E manual shows a 4R7 resistor from the base of the 
> 2N3904 to ground - this just feels all wrong!!  Has anyone built this 
> and did they change the resistor to (e.g. 47R or 4K7)?
>
> Thanks
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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Re: [time-nuts] Tracor 527A and 10MHz reference input

2017-06-25 Thread paul swed
Dave will guess you are sub sampling the 10 Mhz ref.
Yes it should be 4.7K. Not sure why but old military gear resistors were
like that. Circa 1942 at least in schematics I have seen.
Regards
Paul
WB8TSL

On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 2:25 PM, David C. Partridge <
david.partri...@perdrix.co.uk> wrote:

> Yes, does indeed look like it should be 4K7!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of David C.
> Partridge
> Sent: 25 June 2017 18:50
> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
> Subject: [time-nuts] Tracor 527A and 10MHz reference input
>
> A friend says his Tracor 527A works fine with a 10MHz Ref input even
> though it doesn't have the divide by 2 circuit from the addendum to the
> 527E manual applied.
>
> I'm puzzled by this - I can't quite see how the reference input circuit
> can produce a 5MHz output when fed with 10MHz (unless his reference source
> has a large 5MHz sub-harmonic).
>
> Am I missing something here?
>
> On a related note, the schematic for the divide by 2 circuit in the front
> of the 527E manual shows a 4R7 resistor from the base of the 2N3904 to
> ground - this just feels all wrong!!  Has anyone built this and did they
> change the resistor to (e.g. 47R or 4K7)?
>
> Thanks
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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Re: [time-nuts] Tracor 527A and 10MHz reference input

2017-06-25 Thread David C. Partridge
Yes, does indeed look like it should be 4K7!

-Original Message-
From: time-nuts [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of David C. 
Partridge
Sent: 25 June 2017 18:50
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: [time-nuts] Tracor 527A and 10MHz reference input

A friend says his Tracor 527A works fine with a 10MHz Ref input even though it 
doesn't have the divide by 2 circuit from the addendum to the 527E manual 
applied.

I'm puzzled by this - I can't quite see how the reference input circuit can 
produce a 5MHz output when fed with 10MHz (unless his reference source has a 
large 5MHz sub-harmonic).

Am I missing something here?

On a related note, the schematic for the divide by 2 circuit in the front of 
the 527E manual shows a 4R7 resistor from the base of the 2N3904 to ground - 
this just feels all wrong!!  Has anyone built this and did they change the 
resistor to (e.g. 47R or 4K7)?

Thanks
Dave




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[time-nuts] Tracor 527A and 10MHz reference input

2017-06-25 Thread David C. Partridge
A friend says his Tracor 527A works fine with a 10MHz Ref input even though
it doesn't have the divide by 2 circuit from the addendum to the 527E manual
applied.

I'm puzzled by this - I can't quite see how the reference input circuit can
produce a 5MHz output when fed with 10MHz (unless his reference source has a
large 5MHz sub-harmonic).

Am I missing something here?

On a related note, the schematic for the divide by 2 circuit in the front of
the 527E manual shows a 4R7 resistor from the base of the 2N3904 to ground -
this just feels all wrong!!  Has anyone built this and did they change the
resistor to (e.g. 47R or 4K7)?

Thanks
Dave




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