[time-nuts] Trimble/Nortel 45000 GPS Locked Reference Oscillatorboard

2013-12-25 Thread Arthur Dent
quartz55 quartz55 at hughes.net
Tue Dec 24 10:06:49 EST 2013
I'd like to see some of your LH traces if you don't mind, especially the osc 
trace. I don't seem to be able to get my osc trace less than ~400 ppt/div.
++

Here is a 17 hour LH plot of my NTPB15AA 05 which is about the same device, 
although perhaps a little older. I've found this particular unit very stable.
I do have a NTBW50AA which isn't quite as stable but still pretty good.

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac262/rjb1998/tbolt12112013_zps21348f7b.gif

-Arthur
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Re: [time-nuts] Trimble/Nortel 45000 GPS Locked Reference Oscillatorboard

2013-12-24 Thread quartz55
That Nortel board you have there looks exactly like the board I got in my 
Nortel NTBW50AA GPSTM.  You can find the book on-line, look for Dual Voltage 
Global Positioning System Timing Module (GPSTM) OEM General Specification.  
Yes the power supply is speced from 24 to 48VDC plus or minus.  They don't 
specify AC, but since the bridge is there it will work. 2.08A warm up and 
.6A@36VDC steady state.

I'd like to see some of your LH traces if you don't mind, especially the osc 
trace. I don't seem to be able to get my osc trace less than ~400 ppt/div. You 
can see pics of my unit and traces from LH here 
http://s251.photobucket.com/user/DogTi/library/time?sort=3page=1

Dave
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Re: [time-nuts] Trimble/Nortel 45000 GPS Locked Reference Oscillatorboard

2013-12-24 Thread Erno Peres

Dave,

my opinion is that this big tree around your GPS antenna causing a  lot of  
trouble 
as especially when the tree are wet...

Rgds Ernie.




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Oscillatorboard


That Nortel board you have there looks exactly like the board I got in my 
Nortel 
TBW50AA GPSTM.  You can find the book on-line, look for Dual Voltage Global 
ositioning System Timing Module (GPSTM) OEM General Specification.  Yes the 
ower supply is speced from 24 to 48VDC plus or minus.  They don't specify AC, 
ut since the bridge is there it will work. 2.08A warm up and .6A@36VDC steady 
tate.
I'd like to see some of your LH traces if you don't mind, especially the osc 
race. I don't seem to be able to get my osc trace less than ~400 ppt/div. You 
an see pics of my unit and traces from LH here 
http://s251.photobucket.com/user/DogTi/library/time?sort=3page=1
Dave
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Re: [time-nuts] Trimble/Nortel 45000 GPS Locked Reference Oscillatorboard

2013-12-24 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:06 AM, quartz55 quart...@hughes.net wrote:

 That Nortel board you have there looks exactly like the board I got in my
 Nortel NTBW50AA GPSTM.  You can find the book on-line, look for Dual
 Voltage Global Positioning System Timing Module (GPSTM) OEM General
 Specification.  Yes the power supply is speced from 24 to 48VDC plus or
 minus.  They don't specify AC, but since the bridge is there it will work.
 2.08A warm up and .6A@36VDC steady state.


Just because it has a bridge to allow connection of floating +24VDC or
-48VDC doesn't mean it is a good idea to apply AC. The input filter caps
may not be designed to handle the ensuing ripple current. I would tread
lightly in this area.

-- 
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
706 Flightline Drive
Spring Branch, TX 78070
br...@lloyd.com
+1.916.877.5067
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Re: [time-nuts] Trimble/Nortel 45000 GPS Locked Reference Oscillatorboard

2013-12-24 Thread Charles Steinmetz

Brian wrote:


Just because it has a bridge to allow connection of floating +24VDC or
-48VDC doesn't mean it is a good idea to apply AC. The input filter caps
may not be designed to handle the ensuing ripple current. I would tread
lightly in this area.


Not only that, the value of the filter cap in the unit is almost 
certainly not large enough to reduce the ripple sufficiently, so the 
internally regulated supplies will, in turn, have more ripple than they should.


In this case, the bridge is not there to be an AC rectifier, it's 
just there to allow DC of either polarity to work.


Use a DC supply.

Best regards,

Charles



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Re: [time-nuts] Trimble/Nortel 45000 GPS Locked Reference Oscillatorboard

2013-12-24 Thread Graeme Zimmer

Hi Dave,

Thanks for your post.

  I'd like to see some of your LH traces if you don't mind...

Do you mean with the Lady Heather software?
I'll leave it running a while and collect some data.

Yes, I did hesitate running it on AC, but it draws little current and 
does seem to be happy enough.


I do have a switch mode supply to put in the box eventually.

regards  Zim . VK3GJZ
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