[time-nuts] What does determine the short term stability of an Rb vapor cell standard?

2018-03-26 Thread cdelect
Here is an clip from one of the space qualified ones Bob mentioned. "The RAFS employs classical rubidium gas cell atomic frequency standard principles. It utilizes a physics package with a discrete isotopic filter cell for best stability. The relatively large, cool absorption cell provides excepti

Re: [time-nuts] What does determine the short term stability of an Rb vapor cell standard?

2018-03-26 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:18 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 15:28:10 -0400 > Bob kb8tq wrote: > >> Well, magnetic shielding, temperature coupling between cells, photo detector >> noise floor, phase noise of the various signals, basic stability of the >> “ocxo” and >> I’m s

Re: [time-nuts] What does determine the short term stability of an Rb vapor cell standard?

2018-03-26 Thread ew via time-nuts
In the PRS 10 The OCXO is controlled by a DAC not directly by the optical package. With Corby's work on the Super where he also used in one case a good and an other case  not so good 10811 it is the S/N  at the detector output in a 0.05 sec loop that makes the difference. Results where the same.

Re: [time-nuts] What does determine the short term stability of an Rb vapor cell standard?

2018-03-25 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 15:28:10 -0400 Bob kb8tq wrote: > Well, magnetic shielding, temperature coupling between cells, photo detector > noise floor, phase noise of the various signals, basic stability of the > “ocxo” and > I’m sure a few other issues as well…… The effects of those seem not to be

Re: [time-nuts] What does determine the short term stability of an Rb vapor cell standard?

2018-03-25 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 14:13:56 -0500 Dana Whitlow wrote: > Could it be that with the narrow-band laser emission the dip in > light transmission of the Rb cell is significantly improved? I know > that diode lasers are generally not paragons of virtue when it comes > to intensity noise, so I'm wond

Re: [time-nuts] What does determine the short term stability of an Rb vapor cell standard?

2018-03-25 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:18 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > Moikka moi, > > In the past, it has been again and again claimed that the HP 5065 has > such an outstanding short term stability because of its large vapor cell. > But the more I read, the less I believe this. E.g. if you look at the

Re: [time-nuts] What does determine the short term stability of an Rb vapor cell standard?

2018-03-25 Thread Dana Whitlow
Could it be that with the narrow-band laser emission the dip in light transmission of the Rb cell is significantly improved? I know that diode lasers are generally not paragons of virtue when it comes to intensity noise, so I'm wondering what accounts for the claims of better SNR with laser illum

[time-nuts] What does determine the short term stability of an Rb vapor cell standard?

2018-03-25 Thread Attila Kinali
Moikka moi, In the past, it has been again and again claimed that the HP 5065 has such an outstanding short term stability because of its large vapor cell. But the more I read, the less I believe this. E.g. if you look at the papers by the group around Gaetano Mileti and Christoph Affolderbach fro