Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-04 Thread ehydra
. - Henry Brian Justin schrieb: Not yet, but I guess I will now! Thanks! -Brian - Original Message From: Orin Eman To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Wed, January 4, 2012 12:59:12 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector Have you

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/4/12 8:14 AM, Joe Gwinn wrote: At 10:16 AM + 1/4/12, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:58:24 -0800 From: Hal Murray To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector Message-ID

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-04 Thread Brian Justin
Not yet, but I guess I will now! Thanks! -Brian - Original Message From: Orin Eman To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Wed, January 4, 2012 12:59:12 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector Have you tried the 74HCT9046

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-04 Thread Orin Eman
Have you tried the 74HCT9046? They claim no dead zone. Note - seems to be HCT only. Orin. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Brian Justin wrote: > Be very careful of the FPD in the 4046. It has a dead-zone when the phase > error > is at or very close to zero. Some versions of the chip claim to

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-04 Thread Brian Justin
- Original Message From: Chris Albertson To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Wed, January 4, 2012 12:21:06 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > > Neat. Thanks for sharing

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-04 Thread Azelio Boriani
You're right there are 3 phase detectors in the 4046: RS and JK flip-flops and and XOR gate. On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Hal Murray > wrote: > > > > > Neat. Thanks for sharing. > > > > With a XOR, you can't tell which input is higher

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-04 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:58 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > > Neat. Thanks for sharing. > > With a XOR, you can't tell which input is higher frequency. I think you > can > fix that with a second XOR and a delay line. I think you can build a PFD or Phase Frequency Detector with three or four flip flo

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-04 Thread Joe Gwinn
At 10:16 AM + 1/4/12, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:58:24 -0800 From: Hal Murray To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector Message-ID: <20120104085824.8426e

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-04 Thread David
On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:58:24 -0800, Hal Murray wrote: >With a XOR, you can't tell which input is higher frequency. I think you can >fix that with a second XOR and a delay line. > >I think 90 degrees of delay will provide the most information. At 10 MHz, >that's 25 ns. I think that's about 15

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector (mike cook)

2012-01-04 Thread Dan Kemppainen
Neat. Thanks for sharing. With a XOR, you can't tell which input is higher frequency. I think you can fix that with a second XOR and a delay line. I think 90 degrees of delay will provide the most information. At 10 MHz, that's 25 ns. I think that's about 15 feet of good coax. all that s

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-04 Thread mike cook
Le 04/01/2012 09:58, Hal Murray a écrit : Neat. Thanks for sharing. With a XOR, you can't tell which input is higher frequency. I think you can fix that with a second XOR and a delay line. I think 90 degrees of delay will provide the most information. At 10 MHz, that's 25 ns. I think that's

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-04 Thread Hal Murray
Neat. Thanks for sharing. With a XOR, you can't tell which input is higher frequency. I think you can fix that with a second XOR and a delay line. I think 90 degrees of delay will provide the most information. At 10 MHz, that's 25 ns. I think that's about 15 feet of good coax. -- These a

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-03 Thread Steve .
Having access to two Rb sources and looking at phase shift and jitter is something I find interesting. Has anyone fed two Rb sourced 10mhz signals in to a high-z an op-amp and looked at the output on a SA ? Should probably have at least 100mhz bw on the SA in order to see the events. A few tests to

Re: [time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-03 Thread Tom Van Baak
There is some nonlinearity but it seems consistent from cycle to cycle. I might be able to reduce the bumps with better circuit layout, shorter wires, terminated lines etc. But just for playing around with my initial data, I think I can model the shape of the response and get a more accurate re

[time-nuts] crunching numbers from XOR phase detector

2012-01-03 Thread John Beale
Previously I have been comparing 10 MHz frequencies using TvB's picPET device plus a picDIV divider to get a 1 PPS signal, but I wanted more resolution for comparing relative drift of two Rb references. I got square wave outputs from my references (see my previous posts) and I made a simple XOR