Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread cfo
On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 16:51:06 -0500, Dave M wrote: Thanks for that suggestion, Ed. After a bit of reading in the X72 Reference Guide, it appears that the X72 does have a 1PPS input. That would be considerably easier than trying to interface the Rb into the GPSDO. Still trying to understand

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread EWKehren
Hal there is not one straight answer, as mentioned before these units are intended for commercial applications with large temperature ranges. Most have added frequency compensation using heater current sensing for C field adjustment or in the case of the FE 5680A DDS control. Looking close

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The typical small Rb’s are temperature compensated. They have a real tempco of a bit less than a ppb. It gets corrected to about 10X better than that using data from an internal temp sensor. Correction is often three point, so it may or may not track the actual performance of the unit at

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bob: I think that's what's done in the SRS PRS10 http://www.prc68.com/I/PRS10.shtml Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html http://www.prc68.com/I/DietNutrition.html Bob Camp wrote: Hi If you lock an Rb to GPS, you need / want /

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi It is not what is done in the Efratom Rb’s. Their pps input is set up to get things on frequency / on time quickly. The assumption is that you plug it into a pps to get it “right” and then take off on your mission. That takes them into the short (for a Rb) time constant region. Bob On

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread EWKehren
Bob which Efratom are you talking about? Bert In a message dated 8/24/2014 6:33:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kb...@n1k.org writes: Hi It is not what is done in the Efratom Rb’s. Their pps input is set up to get things on frequency / on time quickly. The assumption is that you plug it

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-24 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The Efratom that the original poster was referring to. All of the Efratom’s with PPS in pretty much work the same way. It’s one of those options you go crazy trying to find an example of and when you do it’s “ho hum, let’s look for something else”. Bob On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:19 PM,

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-23 Thread Dave M
Thanks for that suggestion, Ed. After a bit of reading in the X72 Reference Guide, it appears that the X72 does have a 1PPS input. That would be considerably easier than trying to interface the Rb into the GPSDO. Still trying to understand what the manual is telling me. Next thing is to

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-23 Thread Ed Palmer
Hi Dave, On 8/23/2014 3:51 PM, Dave M wrote: Thanks for that suggestion, Ed. After a bit of reading in the X72 Reference Guide, it appears that the X72 does have a 1PPS input. That would be considerably easier than trying to interface the Rb into the GPSDO. Still trying to understand what

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-23 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you lock an Rb to GPS, you need / want / should do it with a *very* long time constant. Numbers in the one day to several days range are commonly seen. If you lock it up with a tighter (shorter time constant) loop, it will just wander around as it follows the GPS input. That’s what would

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-23 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: If you have a temperature stable environment (or create one) you can get some very good results with an (good) Rb locked to a (good) GPS via a proper long time constant setup. It’s not easy, but it can be done. What's the temperature sensitivity of the typical

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 121, Issue 65

2014-08-23 Thread Alexander Pummer
actually if the oscillator is stabil enough, with a very long time constant one could kill the phase modulation of the new WWVB format 73 Alex On 8/23/2014 6:27 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi If you lock an Rb to GPS, you need / want / should do it with a *very* long time constant. Numbers in