Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread Attila Kinali
On Mon, 14 May 2012 18:01:01 -0400 Joseph M Gwinn gw...@raytheon.com wrote: Modern outdoor enclosures use a filter of some kind, but the underlying principle is the same. I don't know what other types are around, but we use vents with a gore-tex foil over them. Keeps water out but lets the

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread George Dubovsky
All, W.L.Gore and Associates makes a whole line of these things, but I'm not sure where you go to buy just one. http://www.gore.com/en_xx/products/venting/protective/index.html?xcmp=ijdgpvmktgurl 73, geo - n4ua On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch wrote: On Mon,

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread paul swed
Pretty neat snap in vents and all. Not sure how you buy a few either On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:02 AM, George Dubovsky n4ua...@gmail.com wrote: All, W.L.Gore and Associates makes a whole line of these things, but I'm not sure where you go to buy just one.

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread Joe Gwinn
At 10:49 AM + 5/15/12, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com wrote: Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:59:04 +0200 From: Attila Kinali att...@kinali.ch To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 15 May 2012 08:35:20 -0400 Joe Gwinn joegw...@comcast.net wrote: Gore-tex blocks liquid water (and dust), but allows water vapor to pass, so one can still get pumping and the accumulation of condensed water. Where are your enclosures used, and how exposed are they? The most

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread Bob Camp
[mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joe Gwinn Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:35 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water. At 10:49 AM + 5/15/12, time-nuts-requ...@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-15 Thread John Lofgren
, May 15, 2012 7:03 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water. All, W.L.Gore and Associates makes a whole line of these things, but I'm not sure where you go to buy just one. http

[time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread paul swed
Thanks everyone yesterday for your wwvb comment. I now know why the wwvb signal droped to -120db. Seems that over 4 years water slowly built up in the preamp housing. Water and rust do make fine conductors. May have effected bias just a bit and everything else. Washed it all out and will let it

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Paul. On 05/14/2012 07:20 PM, paul swed wrote: Thanks everyone yesterday for your wwvb comment. I now know why the wwvb signal droped to -120db. Seems that over 4 years water slowly built up in the preamp housing. Water and rust do make fine conductors. I had the same problem with a GPS

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread paul swed
Magnus Yes indeed will be working tonight. At least the preamp.Need to figure out what was leaking yet. A bit messy but no real damage and it uses nothing but simple parts. It also allowed water into the coax so will need to chop 3ft off and put a new connector on. Minor stuff. Regards Paul. On

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Paul, On 05/14/2012 09:46 PM, paul swed wrote: Magnus Yes indeed will be working tonight. At least the preamp.Need to figure out what was leaking yet. A bit messy but no real damage and it uses nothing but simple parts. Good to hear. It also allowed water into the coax so will need to chop

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Hal Murray
mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: I had the same problem with a GPS antenna at work. Somebody had put the manufactures label over the porus plug that should have vented out any water... but it didn't so I had too high water-level inside the antenna. How does water get in? I'm not doubting

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hal, On 05/14/2012 09:54 PM, Hal Murray wrote: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: I had the same problem with a GPS antenna at work. Somebody had put the manufactures label over the porus plug that should have vented out any water... but it didn't so I had too high water-level inside the

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Jim Hickstein
How does water get in? Is this a Spectracom 8206? Should I worry about mine (that one that's outdoors)? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread paul swed
Magnus is right lots of ways for water to sneak in. So I have not had time to figure it out yet. But it is a copper loop and I suspect the place its joining the preamp box let water in over time. The fact is even a small pin hole that allows air in and out thats humid can allow water buildup. But

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 05/14/2012 11:04 PM, paul swed wrote: Magnus is right lots of ways for water to sneak in. So I have not had time to figure it out yet. But it is a copper loop and I suspect the place its joining the preamp box let water in over time. The fact is even a small pin hole that allows air in and

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Joseph M Gwinn
time-nuts-boun...@febo.com wrote on 05/14/2012 05:04:13 PM: From: paul swed paulsw...@gmail.com To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time- n...@febo.com Date: 05/14/2012 05:04 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under

Re: [time-nuts] wwvb weak on east coast especially when the pre-amps under water.

2012-05-14 Thread Arnold Tibus
Am 14.05.2012 21:54, schrieb Hal Murray: mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org said: I had the same problem with a GPS antenna at work. Somebody had put the manufactures label over the porus plug that should have vented out any water... but it didn't so I had too high water-level inside the antenna.