Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of spurious frequency modulation on Allan Deviation

2018-08-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <84a802ff-88f1-5f50-1f79-71d8ba3c4...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus D anielson writes: >What does exists is a formula for how a single sine spur would produce >ADEV. A FM deviation with low enough modulation index creates two >side-bands of opposite sign but same amplitude. I f

Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of spurious frequency modulation on Allan Deviation

2018-08-05 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Rick, On 08/06/2018 07:12 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > I need to measure ADEV on a source that has spurious > sine wave frequency modulation on it.  I am looking for a > formula that would tell me ADEV, vs FM deviation and > carrier frequency. I'm not sure if modulation frequency > or

Re: [time-nuts] Question about effect of spurious frequency modulation on Allan Deviation

2018-08-05 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <596c5939-d99e-0b01-7ff8-2b5194fc6...@karlquist.com>, "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" writes: >I need to measure ADEV on a source that has spurious >sine wave frequency modulation on it. The biggest factor is the ratio between the tau's you do allan for, and the modulation frequen

[time-nuts] Question about effect of spurious frequency modulation on Allan Deviation

2018-08-05 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
I need to measure ADEV on a source that has spurious sine wave frequency modulation on it. I am looking for a formula that would tell me ADEV, vs FM deviation and carrier frequency. I'm not sure if modulation frequency or tau matter. I am hoping to determine how much I need to clean up the signa

[time-nuts] More Galileo satellites available.

2018-08-05 Thread Mark Sims
A little while back an update to Ublox Ucenter had a mention of a soon (?) to be released Ublox M9 receiver that supposedly does L1/L2/L5 data. Shortly afterward, the update was sanitized. If an M9 comes out that will be very interesting to play with. https://rtklibexplorer.wordpress.com/20

Re: [time-nuts] More Galileo satellites available.

2018-08-05 Thread paul swed
I remember various licensing issues in GNSS magazine. On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > There are multi GNSS receivers out there. Some may do Galileo. That’s > different than a multi-band (L1 / L2 / L5) receiver that will do Galileo. > Since > the band naming conventions

Re: [time-nuts] More Galileo satellites available.

2018-08-05 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There are multi GNSS receivers out there. Some may do Galileo. That’s different than a multi-band (L1 / L2 / L5) receiver that will do Galileo. Since the band naming conventions change between systems, even working out what’s what is a bit exciting. Galileo is a bit more “closed source” tha

Re: [time-nuts] More Galileo satellites available.

2018-08-05 Thread paul swed
Bob you sure about that? I could have sworn a multi-band receiver was on ebay for $32. Made special in N Korea. That said I guess I will stick with the always working simple GPS for now. On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > > > On Aug 5, 2018, at 11:04 AM, paul swed wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] More Galileo satellites available.

2018-08-05 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Aug 5, 2018, at 11:04 AM, paul swed wrote: > > Mark > I have several questions. > Would we observe and be able to take advantage of the better clock. Right now … now so much > Or is > that lost in the various other transmission effects? Modeling matters a lot, they are still working

Re: [time-nuts] More Galileo satellites available.

2018-08-05 Thread paul swed
Mark I have several questions. Would we observe and be able to take advantage of the better clock. Or is that lost in the various other transmission effects? If better what would it take to have a reference built up leveraging that? Perhaps a precision timing receiver. I stop there because that ope