Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 MDEV

2018-10-14 Thread Bob Albert via time-nuts
Off topic, but I heard tonight that WWV is going off the air at the end of this month. On Sunday, October 14, 2018, 9:24:51 PM PDT, Tom Van Baak wrote: > This is just a free running PRS10 wired to a TAPR TICC, I thought that I > would > run some stand alone tests before I brought my

Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 MDEV

2018-10-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
> This is just a free running PRS10 wired to a TAPR TICC, I thought that I would > run some stand alone tests before I brought my GPSDO in line too. Ok, good idea to do a stand alone test. The plateau, though, is interesting and I wouldn't quite have expected that in a 1PPS vs 10 MHz self-test. L

Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 MDEV

2018-10-14 Thread Chris Burford
Tom, This is just a free running PRS10 wired to a TAPR TICC, I thought that I would run some stand alone tests before I brought my GPSDO in line too. The PRS10 is the source for the 10MHz as well as reading the 1PPS output from it. Chris -From: "Tom

Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 MDEV

2018-10-14 Thread Chris Caudle
On Sun, October 14, 2018 9:07 pm, Chris Burford wrote: > I've collected several data sets over the last few days from my RFS > and I'm puzzled by what I'm seeing. Frequency stability measurements must always compare one device against another. I do not recall that you mentioned what is providing t

Re: [time-nuts] PRS10 MDEV

2018-10-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
Chris, Thanks for sharing the plot. What instrument are you using to make the measurements? And what frequency reference is being used? Is this a free-running PRS10, or is it locked to GPSDO with some time constant? Is that same GPSDO being used as a reference for your measurements? The platea

[time-nuts] PRS10 MDEV

2018-10-14 Thread Chris Burford
Hello All, I've collected several data sets over the last few days from my RFS and I'm puzzled by what I'm seeing. A link to the plot is here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=10Kk8Cqx7es0SXf2H5AldiQkBo8nIfNMT I'm looking at the averaging periods from about 100 thru 400 tau and noticed a "plateau"

Re: [time-nuts] Troubleshooting an HP 58503A

2018-10-14 Thread Hal Murray
Your setup looks good to me. One thing to consider. Most of the white plastic plumbing parts are not UV resistant. A layer of paint should protect it. Or you can just wait, see what happens, and fix it if/when it breaks. Another approach if you want to avoid holes in the roof is to attach

Re: [time-nuts] Troubleshooting an HP 58503A

2018-10-14 Thread Matthew D'Asaro
Thanks for the (important) suggestion. I will make another trip to the hardware store for some rubber sheeting or similar. Matthew > On Oct 14, 2018, at 4:57 PM, jimlux wrote: > >> On 10/14/18 4:42 PM, Tom Miller wrote: >> - Original Message - From: "jimlux" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, O

Re: [time-nuts] Troubleshooting an HP 58503A

2018-10-14 Thread jimlux
On 10/14/18 4:42 PM, Tom Miller wrote: - Original Message - From: "jimlux" To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Troubleshooting an HP 58503A On 10/14/18 3:03 PM, Matthew D'Asaro wrote: All -  Thanks again for all the suggestions and advice I have gott

Re: [time-nuts] Troubleshooting an HP 58503A

2018-10-14 Thread Tom Miller
- Original Message - From: "jimlux" To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2018 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Troubleshooting an HP 58503A On 10/14/18 3:03 PM, Matthew D'Asaro wrote: All - Thanks again for all the suggestions and advice I have gotten on this project. It ran all night

Re: [time-nuts] Troubleshooting an HP 58503A

2018-10-14 Thread jimlux
On 10/14/18 3:03 PM, Matthew D'Asaro wrote: All -     Thanks again for all the suggestions and advice I have gotten on this project. It ran all night without loosing lock, so I am calling it fixed. There is just one more order of business before I can use it, and that is some way of "mounting

Re: [time-nuts] RF Isolation Amplifier ...

2018-10-14 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 14.10.2018 um 22:14 schrieb Richard (Rick) Karlquist: On 10/14/2018 11:20 AM, Dr. Ulrich L. Rohde via time-nuts wrote: Actually the BFT is out of production since quite a while there are more stable and higher Ft devices on the market. 73 de N1UL How is a higher Ft device more stable? 

Re: [time-nuts] RF Isolation Amplifier ...

2018-10-14 Thread Dr. Ulrich L. Rohde via time-nuts
Well said Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2018, at 4:14 PM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > > > >> Am 14.10.2018 um 18:47 schrieb Dana Whitlow: >> Corby, >> >> Now that I learn that the BFT66 is a "wild one", I'd remark that stability >> is >> indeed the likely issue. I was puzzled by the prese

Re: [time-nuts] RF Isolation Amplifier ...

2018-10-14 Thread Dr. Ulrich L. Rohde via time-nuts
Well some of the 7 GHz and higher Ft transistors have internal matching networks to prevent such oscillations, but yes it is an important issue. 73 de N1UL Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2018, at 4:14 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist > wrote: > > > >> On 10/14/2018 11:20 AM, Dr. Ulrich L. R

Re: [time-nuts] RF isolation amplifier question

2018-10-14 Thread Dr. Ulrich L. Rohde via time-nuts
Sometimes a 10 Ohm resistor from Base to RF ground will rescue you. 73 de N1UL Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > > Hi > > What you have there is known as a cascade buffer amplifier. The common base > stage combined with the common emitter has some well kno

Re: [time-nuts] RF isolation amplifier question

2018-10-14 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi What you have there is known as a cascade buffer amplifier. The common base stage combined with the common emitter has some well known issues at high frequencies ( like UHF / microwave). That’s the tradeoff for having really good isolation at HF and usually at VHF. Put a sniffer loop near t

Re: [time-nuts] RF Isolation Amplifier ...

2018-10-14 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 14.10.2018 um 18:47 schrieb Dana Whitlow: Corby, Now that I learn that the BFT66 is a "wild one", I'd remark that stability is indeed the likely issue. I was puzzled by the presence of that capacitor in the first place, as this circuit is clearly neither tuned nor of especially high freque

Re: [time-nuts] RF Isolation Amplifier ...

2018-10-14 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 10/14/2018 11:20 AM, Dr. Ulrich L. Rohde via time-nuts wrote: Actually the BFT is out of production since quite a while there are more stable and higher Ft devices on the market. 73 de N1UL How is a higher Ft device more stable? Those attributes would seem to be mutually exclusive. F

Re: [time-nuts] RF Isolation Amplifier ...

2018-10-14 Thread Dr. Ulrich L. Rohde via time-nuts
Actually the BFT is out of production since quite a while there are more stable and higher Ft devices on the market. 73 de N1UL Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2018, at 12:47 PM, Dana Whitlow wrote: > > Corby, > > Now that I learn that the BFT66 is a "wild one", I'd remark that stability

Re: [time-nuts] RF Isolation Amplifier ...

2018-10-14 Thread Dana Whitlow
Corby, Now that I learn that the BFT66 is a "wild one", I'd remark that stability is indeed the likely issue. I was puzzled by the presence of that capacitor in the first place, as this circuit is clearly neither tuned nor of especially high frequency capability. Could you tell us more: what ki

[time-nuts] RF Isolation Amplifier ...

2018-10-14 Thread Ulf Kylenfall via time-nuts
The BFT66 if that is the type ( a bit difficult to read ) is a really "wild one" on VHF. I have used it and unless surrounded by proper decoupling networks in a well designed circuit it can and will oscillate. I would have used a spectrum analyzer to check for any unwantedoscillations well abo

Re: [time-nuts] RF isolation amplifier question

2018-10-14 Thread Mike Feher
Corby - >From the schematic it does not look like anything special but only a 50 ohm in and out circuit with fairly high isolation due to the common base of the second BFT66. You may be able to simply use a newer MMIC from one of the many sources to replace the assembly if you know the gain. Ge

Re: [time-nuts] RF isolation amplifier question

2018-10-14 Thread Dana Whitlow
Corby, What frequency(s) is this amplifier passing? And sinusoidal, squarewave, or other? Dana On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 10:57 AM wrote: > Hi, > > I removed this amp from the EFOS2 Maser as it was intermittent. > > Of course now I can't get it to fail on the bench! > > I have fabricated a new

[time-nuts] RF isolation amplifier question

2018-10-14 Thread cdelect
Hi, I removed this amp from the EFOS2 Maser as it was intermittent. Of course now I can't get it to fail on the bench! I have fabricated a new PC board to replace it and have the components on hand. Note the 12pfd cap on the collector . Some notes I have indicate is select at test and that is