Re: [time-nuts] WWV Doppler Shift

2018-11-20 Thread Steve Allen
On Tue 2018-11-20T19:02:16-0500 Tom Holmes hath writ: > So if the SI second is specified at sea level, and we know from > Einstein and TVB's work that going up a mountain changes a clock's > period, how would the second be affected at the center of the Earth ( > ignore thermal problems, this is a

Re: [time-nuts] WWV Doppler Shift

2018-11-20 Thread John Ackermann. N8UR
A few years ago I did some measurements of WWV Doppler shift, measured by a 0.1 Hz resolution you get in an HP 3586C selective voltmeter.  It's not quite a phase record but does show the significant shifts that occur. See https://www.febo.com/pages/hf_stability/ John On Nov 20, 2018,

Re: [time-nuts] WWV Doppler Shift

2018-11-20 Thread Tom Holmes
So if the SI second is specified at sea level, and we know from Einstein and TVB's work that going up a mountain changes a clock's period, how would the second be affected at the center of the Earth ( ignore thermal problems, this is a conceptual discussion) where the net gravity vector might

Re: [time-nuts] WWV Doppler Shift

2018-11-20 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Having looked at WWV with a Carrier -> BFO -> audio card approach (and a radio locked to an Rb standard …) you have dig a bit to find a situation that is beyond a tenth of a ppm. If you average over minutes or tens of minutes (which is exactly what you do with WWVB) the only time you get

Re: [time-nuts] WWV Doppler Shift

2018-11-20 Thread Tom Van Baak
> That was the first time that I had seen an xy plot of WWV versus a > stable crystal oscillator. It is even worse than I thought. I had to > look up FRK to see that it is a rubidium standard. I talked to Jim > Maxton the chief engineer of WWVB many times around 1995. An xy cycle of WWV is

Re: [time-nuts] WWV Doppler Shift

2018-11-20 Thread Donald E. Pauly
That was the first time that I had seen an xy plot of WWV versus a stable crystal oscillator. It is even worse than I thought. I had to look up FRK to see that it is a rubidium standard. I talked to Jim Maxton the chief engineer of WWVB many times around 1995. At the time I was in Gila Bend 80

Re: [time-nuts] WWV Doppler Shift

2018-11-20 Thread ew via time-nuts
Starting 1970 I used a modified Tracor 599H on WWVB  with excellent results. It had a mechanical counter with 100 nsec, resolution. Noisy but perfect. Yes you have to take Ionosphere sunrise and sunset in to consideration and the hourly shift, but being a very early riser  4AM because of Europe