Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread Andy Backus
Brings to mind two interesting numbers: I figured out when I was ten that it takes about 2 weeks to count to a million at one number/sec. Much later in graduate school I learned from an astronomer that a year has pi x 10^7 seconds. Andy Backus From: time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread jimlux
On 2/10/19 4:36 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Christopher Shawn McGahey's wrote his phd at Georgia Tech on the subject, and it sorts a lot of facts from fiction. "HARNESSING NATURE'S TIMEKEEPER: A HISTORY OF THE PIEZOELECTRIC QUARTZ CRYSTAL TECHNOLOGICAL COMMUNITY (1880-1959)"

[time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread Mark Sims
Back in the late 70's I worked for a mini-computer company. They were a horrendous paper-work factory... spec after needless/useless/virtually identical documentation requirements. I wrote one document where I put all the timings in units of "ffn"... femto-fortnights. It was over three

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Mica is a sheet silicate mineral little or no carbon present. Bruce > On 11 February 2019 at 11:15 Bob Bownes wrote: > > > > > > Yes, those brown roughly 1" square caps used intact sheets of mica as > > dielectric. You can easily split the mineral into uniform, thin, > > transparent sheets.

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread Rice, Hugh (IPH Writing Systems)
Luca wrote: > There is a little strangeness: the wave clipper darlington transistor Q1 is > marked as 1854-0611, equivalent to the standard darlington 2N6055. But why > there is a simple 2N3055 in the picture? Some sort of version update fail? One other reader (Ian) pointed out this same

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread Tom Van Baak
> Christopher Shawn McGahey's wrote his phd at Georgia Tech on the subject, > and it sorts a lot of facts from fiction. "HARNESSING NATURE'S TIMEKEEPER: A HISTORY OF THE PIEZOELECTRIC QUARTZ CRYSTAL TECHNOLOGICAL COMMUNITY (1880-1959)"

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread Bob Bownes
> > Yes, those brown roughly 1" square caps used intact sheets of mica as > dielectric. You can easily split the mineral into uniform, thin, transparent > sheets. Beware inclusions that will make the surface rough and change the behavior, particularly breakdown voltages. > The reconstituted

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
> were made from large contiguous chunks of mica. A some point after > the war, the mica mines were played out, similar to the quartz mines, > and only small pieces of mica were available. The capacitor vendors > made "reconstituted" mica out of crumbs. The crystal vendors didn't >

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 9189 password reset? Instructions in manual don't work :-(

2019-02-10 Thread Hal Murray
> There's a lithium battery holder - but suspect that is just for the local > RTC rather than backing up SRAM which might hold the passwords. There is usually a small SRAM in the RTC chip - just for things like this. > I tried removing and replacing the battery anyway to no avail If you

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 9189 password reset? Instructions in manual don't work :-(

2019-02-10 Thread David Howells via time-nuts
Hi Jason Thank you for the suggestions. Yes, I interrupted the boot process but there is no prompt when I do that, I basically get a prompt/text saying something like "press any key to abort the boot process" and when I do there is no further communications.  I can try entering

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 9189 password reset? Instructions in manual don't work :-(

2019-02-10 Thread Jason Rabel via time-nuts
> Thank you for everyone's suggestions. I'm definitely connected to the > correct serial port for configuration and communication using com port > settings 9600,n,8,1. When power is applied I get various boot messages > before being presented with a ">" prompt whereupon I can enter "help" >

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 2/10/2019 4:35 AM, Rice, Hugh (IPH Writing Systems) wrote: Somewhere over the years I picked up this line: “A good engineer is a lazy engineer. They are always looking for the easiest way to do things.” The designer of the 5061A battery charger was definitely not a lazy engineer.

Re: [time-nuts] Spectracom 9189 password reset? Instructions in manual don't work :-(

2019-02-10 Thread David Howells via time-nuts
Thank you for everyone's suggestions.  I'm definitely connected to the correct serial port for configuration and communication using com port settings 9600,n,8,1.  When power is applied I get various boot messages before being presented with a ">" prompt whereupon I can enter "help" and get

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread Rice, Hugh (IPH Writing Systems)
In reading back over my sarcastic description of the 5061A battery charger, I was pretty hard on the unnamed designer of that circuit. I did find a schematic of an older generation batter charger for the 5061A, and it had the same basic implementation. As far as I know, the circuit, in all

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread Rice, Hugh (IPH Writing Systems)
Hi Poul - I'm only familiar with the system design for the 5061A/B, and can't really speak to a general HP T design approach. Maybe Rick has some insights. My real expertise is HP Inkjet printers, but those stories are for another mailing list. Reaching back to the 5060A, I think Lou

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread Rice, Hugh (IPH Writing Systems)
The 5061A/B is the only HP T product that I worked on deeply, and yes, the manual is very complete and accurate, save a typo here or there.One careful reader (Ian) pointed out a typo in the generic 2N part number for the main TO-3 power transistor! The product family was old enough that

[time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-10 Thread Luca
Thanks Hugh for the story, and thanks for the schematic! Quite interesting. There is a little strangeness: the wave clipper darlington transistor Q1 is marked as 1854-0611, equivalent to the standard darlington 2N6055. But why there is a simple 2N3055 in the picture? Some sort of version update