Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-03-07 Thread Achim Gratz
Joe Hobart writes: > I can read and write the DS3231 registers with a Raspberry Pi. Unfortunately, > the RPi kernel sends time to the RTC every 11 1/2 minutes. This time is > usually > moderately accurate, but I have measured errors of up to 0.264 second, which > is > unacceptable. That's the

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesized Signal Generator query

2019-03-07 Thread jimlux
On 3/7/19 6:37 PM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: I happened to get a good deal on a PTS310 with thumbwheels. It is indeed a good synthesizer performance wise, but the thumbwheels are obviously clumsy. Most of them have a BCD digital interface on a (probably expensive if bought new)

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-03-07 Thread Petr Titěra
On 07.03.2019 14:14, Jim Harman wrote: For ease of programming and reasonably low power consumption I would look into an Arduino. Hello, I can only agree. Use Ardiuno and you will have complete control about your environment. You can even put your board into sleep between pulses. For

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesized Signal Generator query

2019-03-07 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
A couple of comments about the PTS units... While the potential noise floor is very low (depending on the quality of the reference oscillator), there can be significant spurs depending on how many non-zero digits you have dialed in. With the analog multiply and mix architecture, the more

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesized Signal Generator query

2019-03-07 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
I happened to get a good deal on a PTS310 with thumbwheels. It is indeed a good synthesizer performance wise, but the thumbwheels are obviously clumsy. Rick N6%K On 3/7/2019 4:15 PM, Alex Pummer wrote: that is a relative low noise synthesizer  Programmed Test Sources PTS 160 Frequency

Re: [time-nuts] Li Ion Battery for HP 5065A

2019-03-07 Thread J. L. Trantham
Bert, I'm interested in your quest. I'm interested in batteries for not only the 5065A but also the 5061A and B. I was thinking of an SLA for the 5061's. I like the idea of being able to move the units without having to also move a separate battery backup system simultaneously. What have

Re: [time-nuts] Li Ion Battery for HP 5065A

2019-03-07 Thread Brian Lloyd
On 3/7/19 15:36, ew via time-nuts wrote: > > Having recently acquired a HP 5065A with clock I decided to put a battery in > it. My choice is 5000 mA Lithium Ion. Having in the past very good experience > with a Florida vendor, was first choice. Sadly he is going out of business. > 90+% out

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesized Signal Generator query

2019-03-07 Thread Alex Pummer
that is a relative low noise synthesizer Programmed Test Sources PTS 160 Frequency Synthesizer 73 Alex On 3/7/2019 11:04 AM, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: On 3/7/2019 8:56 AM, Didier Juges wrote: The king of low close-in noise are the HP8662 (990MHz) and HP8663 (2GHz?) by about

[time-nuts] Re; Motorola MC68HC11 Crystal (Robert LaJeunesse)

2019-03-07 Thread Joe Leikhim
Thanks Bob, Bob L, and Hugh. I will look further into the exact specs of this 68HC11. Being this is a small densely packed portable radio, the circuit foils are very tiny, the stray capacitance is probably lower than typical design. Good point on using the div/4 pin to measure the clock and

[time-nuts] Li Ion Battery for HP 5065A

2019-03-07 Thread ew via time-nuts
Having recently acquired a HP 5065A with clock I decided to put a battery in it. My choice is 5000 mA Lithium Ion. Having in the past very good experience with a Florida vendor, was first choice. Sadly he is going out of business. 90+% out there is junk, have 26650s with 1800 mA. Last week

Re: [time-nuts] Re; Motorola MC68HC11 Crystal

2019-03-07 Thread Hugh Blemings
Hiya, A quick observation, though I'm mindful we may be drifting (sorry...) from the charter of time-nuts somewhat. I worked with 'HC11s a fair bit when they were current and seem to recall there were some subtle variations on the load capacitance requirements for the different variants

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesized Signal Generator query

2019-03-07 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 3/7/2019 8:56 AM, Didier Juges wrote: The king of low close-in noise are the HP8662 (990MHz) and HP8663 (2GHz?) by about 20dB at 1kHz compared to the 8644A Didier KO4BB When I worked at Agilent, my lab had a half dozen HP8662's and some 63's. They were not useful for any kind of

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesized Signal Generator query

2019-03-07 Thread Leo Bodnar
Fluke 96040A disagrees from the back bench. Leo > From: Tom Knox > Much more expensive, but in a class by itself is the Rohde SMA100A option B22. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesized Signal Generator query

2019-03-07 Thread Didier Juges
The very low phase noise requirements for a 3GHz generator really cuts down your options while raising the price significantly. You may be better off with two boxes if you can really reduce your requirements to what you need as opposed to what you want. Also, I am sure you have seen that the

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesized Signal Generator query

2019-03-07 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
The 8664, et al, has low phase noise in terms of a general purpose signal generator. However, it is quite inadequate as a clock generator. The Agilent E5505 phase noise test system has an accessory frequency divider that you are supposed to use with the E8663 to get low phase noise below 100

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesized Signal Generator query

2019-03-07 Thread Tom Knox
Hi Don; Much more expensive, but in a class by itself is the Rohde SMA100A option B22. Enjoy; Tom Knox 303-554-0307 act...@hotmail.com "Peace is not the absence of violence, but the presence of Justice" Both MLK and Albert Einstein From: time-nuts on behalf

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesized Signal Generator query

2019-03-07 Thread Don@True-Cal
Leo, Thanks for the IFR/Aeroflex/Marconi 2401 suggestion, I looked at the data sheet and it might be a good alternative to watch for. I REALLY like the "closed box" calibration feature. I was suspicious of the E44xx series but never used or tested one, I had some hope that like other HP/Agilent

Re: [time-nuts] Re; Motorola MC68HC11 Crystal

2019-03-07 Thread Robert LaJeunesse
Joe, I'm not Roger but I've worked a lot with Motorola micros. Your conclusion of 18pF seems reasonable as the design uses 24pF tuning caps, which are a bit high compared to the values recommended in the HC11 reference manuals. In section 2 they recommend 25pF total capacitance including

Re: [time-nuts] Re; Motorola MC68HC11 Crystal

2019-03-07 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Load capacitance on a crystal is not at all easy to guess from the “stuff” hanging off of an MCU chip. There’s simply to much inside the chip that you have no way of knowing about. If indeed you *need* a very accurate crystal, it gets custom made for whatever that particular circuit happens

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesized Signal Generator query

2019-03-07 Thread Don@True-Cal
Hi Jim, The 100K to 3G frequency range of the 8664A is what I'm looking for as a general signal source. The low phase noise needed will mostly be under 100MHz for work on clock, trigger and timing circuits. Thanks for the reply, Don -Original Message- From: time-nuts On Behalf Of jimlux

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-03-07 Thread Jim Harman
Here is an example Arduino sketch that controls the DS3231, blinks the Arduino's LED, and displays the current time and temperature on the controlling PC, using the Arduino Wire and Chronodot libraries. For even better precision, you would want to run the PPS line to an interrupt and use an ISR to

Re: [time-nuts] Portable Time Standard

2019-03-07 Thread Jim Harman
For ease of programming and reasonably low power consumption I would look into an Arduino. There are libraries available to control the DS3231 and your choice of displays. The Chronodot is a nice prototyping package for the 3231. https://www.adafruit.com/product/255 On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 8:02