Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Ian Stirling
On 3/31/19 5:29 PM, Neville Michie wrote: I have a Philips quartz clock that runs on 4.19 MHz. In spite of the high frequency it still runs for years on a C cell. Can any of the quartz crystal gurus explain why this frequency was chosen? I believe that this clock was supposed to have better than

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Glenn Little WB4UIV
Could it be that the actual crystal frequency is 4194204 Hz? This is the 24th power of 2 (if my math is correct). An easy way to get 1 pps. Possibly a compromise between oscillator frequency and battery life. Usually the higher the frequency, within reason, the easier it is to see a frequency err

[time-nuts] Spirent GSS4100 GPS Simulators for sale

2019-03-31 Thread gandalfg8--- via time-nuts
Some recent list comments have reminded me that I have an "over capacity" of the Spirent GSS4100 GPS Simulator, don't yer just love that "over capacity" psychobabble, you can almost feel the attached redundancy notices, and could well do with shifting a couple. A few years ago an Ebay UK scrap m

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Simple answer is that it likely is an AT cut crystal. You can get a 1 ppm-ish sort of stability over 0 to 50 C out of an AT. The 32 KHz crystal you sort of expect to see likely has a couple hundred ppm-ish stability over the same temperature range. 32 KHz crystal have been the norm in “qua

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Tim Shoppa
2 to the 22nd power is 4.194304MHz. 32768 Hz crystals are a tuning fork cut with a very different temperature curve than a typical AT cut which your 4.19MHz crystal probably is. Tim N3QE On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 6:03 PM Neville Michie wrote: > Hi, > I have a Philips quartz clock that runs on 4.

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread ed breya
I forgot to add that there's nothing remarkable about 4.194304 MHz in terms of stability - it's just high enough to fit in reasonably small packaging for clock use, and not take too-too much power. Lower frequencies can work just fine, but the crystal tends to get way bigger. The 32,768 kHz pie

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Dave M
Neville Michie wrote: Hi, I have a Philips quartz clock that runs on 4.19 MHz. In spite of the high frequency it still runs for years on a C cell. Can any of the quartz crystal gurus explain why this frequency was chosen? I believe that this clock was supposed to have better than usual accuracy.

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread ed breya
Your crystal doesn't show enough digits to see why it's a common value. The "exact" number should be 4.194304 MHz, which is 2^22. It can be divided by this base-2 integer conveniently to make 1 Hz for clock use. The crystal marking, especially on small, common parts is often rounded or truncate

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Matthew D'Asaro
Easy. 2^22 is 4194304. This means that a crystal of that frequency connected to a chain of 22 flip-flops will produce one pulse per second. More modern Quartz clocks are based on 32768Hz crystals which is 2^15Hz. The reason for the change is that such low frequency crystals require a tuning-fork

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message , Neville Michie writes: >Can any of the quartz crystal gurus explain why this >frequency was chosen? 2 to the 22nd power = 4194304 ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Dana Whitlow
Could it really be 4.194304 MHz (2^22 Hz)? Dana On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 5:03 PM Neville Michie wrote: > Hi, > I have a Philips quartz clock that runs on 4.19 MHz. > In spite of the high frequency it still runs for years > on a C cell. > Can any of the quartz crystal gurus explain why this >

Re: [time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Wayne Holder
The following wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Marine_Chronometer mentions a "*Marine Chronometer clock using an advanced 4.19 MHz quartz resonator giving an unparalleled accuracy of less than 5 seconds per year under calibre 1525*." My guess is that this crystal technolo

[time-nuts] 4.19 MHz xtal

2019-03-31 Thread Neville Michie
Hi, I have a Philips quartz clock that runs on 4.19 MHz. In spite of the high frequency it still runs for years on a C cell. Can any of the quartz crystal gurus explain why this frequency was chosen? I believe that this clock was supposed to have better than usual accuracy. Philips always had a h

[time-nuts] NAVICOM RCGD-M GPSDO

2019-03-31 Thread Mark Sims
I got in the GPSDO from China. It looks nice, but I have not tried firing it up yet. I have no other info on this GPSDO. Here is what the seller has found out. This GPSDO has two 10 MHz SMA connectors and a MMCX (?) antenna connector. It has a 2007 date etched on a PCB. I suspect some of

Re: [time-nuts] Rollover: Thunderbolt

2019-03-31 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Pretty much all of the GPSDO’s on eBay are long past their “end of support” date. In a lot of cases, even when “in support” free updates were not available, even to OEM customers. The simple answer with the TBolt is to run it into something (like Lady Heather ) that understands what’s going

[time-nuts] Rollover: Thunderbolt

2019-03-31 Thread John Reilly
I have an elderly Trimble Thunderbolt that I use primarily as a frequency reference. The date has never been correct (today, it reads Aug 15, 1999), which probably resulted from the last rollover. Should I anticipate any additional problems with the upcoming rollover? This Thunderbolt has Appl

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: An architectural view of the HP 5060/5061 and awkward oscillator adjustments.

2019-03-31 Thread Adrian Godwin
Replied off-list but suggestions welcome. On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 6:00 PM Mod Mix wrote: > Hi Adrian, > sorry for cantacting you directly... > I've got a pair of KS-24361 showing now the red FAULT led on just after > applying power. > As I don't know much about these electronics: could you pls

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: An architectural view of the HP 5060/5061 and awkward oscillator adjustments.

2019-03-31 Thread Mod Mix
Hi Adrian, sorry for cantacting you directly... I've got a pair of KS-24361 showing now the red FAULT led on just after applying power. As I don't know much about these electronics: could you pls give me an indication where to find a possibly failed tant? Thank you in advance Ulli Am 24.02.20