Re: [time-nuts] Question for my new GPSDO

2019-10-15 Thread Jim Harman
On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 10:00 PM Hal Murray wrote: > > > You can get a few bits by reducing the tuning range. Suppose you follow > the > DAC with an OpAmp with a gain of 1/8 while the reference is adjustable. > That > adds 3 bits of resolution by decreasing the output range. The downside is >

Re: [time-nuts] Question for my new GPSDO

2019-10-15 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Consistency of the glitch independent of DAC output is more important than its size. A constant amplitude glitch occurring at the dac update rate is more benign in its effect than a glitch whose amplitude varies with DAC output. Brruce > On 16 October 2019 at 08:02 Attila Kinali wrote: > > >

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antennas

2019-10-15 Thread Joseph Gwinn
On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 19:01:37 -0400, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com wrote: > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:58:42 +0200 > From: Attila Kinali > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antennas >

Re: [time-nuts] Question for my new GPSDO

2019-10-15 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 18:57:30 +0200 Attila Kinali wrote: > Assuming > your OCXO has a tuning range of 1ppm (I've seen 0.1 to 20ppm for OCXOs) > that would mean you have to controll the EFC voltage better than parts in 1e-9 > or 30 bits. Yes, this is kind of unreallistic, but that's what the

Re: [time-nuts] Question for my new GPSDO

2019-10-15 Thread Attila Kinali
Hoi Tobias, On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 21:06:37 + Tobias Pluess wrote: > I am planning to make a new version of my own GPSDO. I have attached the > schematic of the OCXO and DAC. Because the stability of my previous design > was not yet optimal, I now chose better components; my main criteria was

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antennas

2019-10-15 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 11:29:08 -0500 Bob kb8tq wrote: > There are a lot of 3D printers out there that happily print ABS …. I am not sure that's a good idea. The way how filament printers work will lead to lots of pores where humidity can accumulate. Not something you want. Thermoforming sheets,

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antennas

2019-10-15 Thread jimlux
On 10/15/19 8:17 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On 10/15/19 8:17 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 10:07:29 -0700 > Nick Sayer via time-nuts wrote: > >> I’m late to the party, but my go-to antenna is the Gilsson marine antenna. If >> it has a downside, it’s that it has a flat top instead

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3805A GPS replacement ?

2019-10-15 Thread Gregory Beat via time-nuts
HP Z3805A Time & Frequency GPS Receiver by Brooke Clarke https://www.prc68.com/I/Z3805A.html#OHPGPS Tim - Later models of the HP/Symmetricom GPS Time & Frequency models used the Motorola Oncore 8-channel GPS receivers (VP or UT+ models). Those 8-channel receivers have same form factor and

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antennas

2019-10-15 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi There are a lot of 3D printers out there that happily print ABS …. Bob > On Oct 15, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 10:07:29 -0700 > Nick Sayer via time-nuts wrote: > >> I’m late to the party, but my go-to antenna is the Gilsson marine antenna. >> If >>

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz notch filter

2019-10-15 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, Be careful to trim this to be as balanced as possible, since inbalance between side-bands allow for linear AM-to-PM conversion. You could even use a AM-modulated signal and then detect the strength of the PM/FM signal and tune for minumum leakage. You can also swap the modulation modes

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antennas

2019-10-15 Thread Attila Kinali
On Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:59:06 -0400 Dan Kemppainen wrote: > For the second summer in a row we were smacked with lightning. So I'm in > need of a new GPS antenna. Might as well look for one with multi band > units. I recall some talk about the cheap multi-band units on ebay that > that are

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Antennas

2019-10-15 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 10:07:29 -0700 Nick Sayer via time-nuts wrote: > I’m late to the party, but my go-to antenna is the Gilsson marine antenna. If > it has a downside, it’s that it has a flat top instead of a cone. I’ve got > one mounted outside at our vacation home near Lake Tahoe, so we’ll

Re: [time-nuts] A simple sampling DMTD

2019-10-15 Thread Attila Kinali
Hoi Jan-Derk, As I am late to the party, I take the liberty to answer a few mails together On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 02:09:19 +0200 Jan-Derk Bakker wrote: > I've been working on a design for a (relatively) simple, standalone > sampling DMTD. Very rough preliminary schematics can be found at >

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DMTD/phase noise set in the 21st century

2019-10-15 Thread Attila Kinali
On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 13:59:15 +0200 Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > Am 25.08.19 um 10:52 schrieb Hal Murray: > > att...@kinali.ch said: > >> As you have always two channels, I would recommend to use two mixers fed > >> with > >> an LO that is 90°C out of phase to get I and Q components. > > How does

[time-nuts] stabilities of atomic clocks (was: Beginner's Atomic Clock)

2019-10-15 Thread Attila Kinali
On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 07:03:15 -0700 "Richard (Rick) Karlquist" wrote: > What I was always told was that Rb has low enough noise coming off > the atoms such that it can use a relatively fast loop to lock > the OCXO and clean it up. OTOH, the 5071 Cs has to use a very > long time constant loop to

Re: [time-nuts] Low pn integrated frequency multiplier/PLL

2019-10-15 Thread Attila Kinali
Ciao Luciano, On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:18:58 +0200 "tim...@timeok.it" wrote: > I was wondering, and I do it to you too, if this Texas Instruments device > could be used to build a >frequency difference meter with high precision features. > >http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lmx2594.pdf

[time-nuts] FA-2 Frequency Counter Display

2019-10-15 Thread gandalfg8--- via time-nuts
Good point re the display size, guess I hadn't thought that one through too well:-) I'm looking forward to using the FA2 with Lady H but have always run her via a rackmount PC with desktop monitor, I do have a spare Pi sitting around somewhere though so perhaps time to be a bit more adventurous