[time-nuts] Odd-order multiplication of CMOS-output OCXO

2020-01-18 Thread Mark Haun
Hi time nuts, I'm looking for a 5x frequency multiplication scheme to let me use a 16-MHz square-wave OCXO for an ADC encode clock at 80 MHz. Constraints in order of importance: 1. Don't degrade the nice phase noise of the OCXO (-90 @ 1, -120 @10, -140 @ 100, -160 @ 1k) any more than necessary;

Re: [time-nuts] DAC for OCXO disciplining

2020-01-18 Thread Hal Murray
mag...@rubidium.se said: > I was amazed that it was this simple to move energy to where it makes less > damage. Turns out that FPGA logic wise, it's at the same cost as PWM. You can do the same thing in software. Many small CPUs have IO gear that lets you send raw bits. Just setup a buffer

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Patrick, I try to share what I have learned as generously as others before me have done. Somewhere along the line I transitioned from noob to actually know something and now, well, I can't claim complete lack of knowledge anymore. But, I enjoy the many questions, as it forces me to think, think

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-18 Thread Patrick Murphy
Magnus, Well you kindly explain what you mean by your comment "I've seen both instrument makers and oscillator makes handwaving to protect the values which so far is understood to be non-physical." , especially the non-physical part. While I can keep up with a lot of the discussions here, I will

Re: [time-nuts] low phase noise, noise floor and noise figure amplifier at 400MHz

2020-01-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
I think one should recall that for very deep phase-noise numbers for far-out noise, we cannot remove the suspicion of cross-correlation cancellation problems have overstated the phase-noise levels. I've seen both instrument makers and oscillator makes handwaving to protect the values which so far

Re: [time-nuts] DAC for OCXO disciplining

2020-01-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, God points! I know I have both the integrator as well as bandwidth limitation of the EFC to help me further. For the application the main focus was to increase the resolution, and I was taking care of secondary consideration of phase noise contribution. This reminds me that I've not taken

Re: [time-nuts] DAC for OCXO disciplining

2020-01-18 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi One thing to remember in this: Since the EFC is FM and you care about PM (phase noise) the FM to PM math gives you a “free” LPF. Get the spurs high enough and they get pretty far down. You also want to get out in the “flat” phase noise region. Otherwise you are chasing an ever decreasing

Re: [time-nuts] DAC for OCXO disciplining

2020-01-18 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, Sure. I want people to mentally retire PWM, it's only benefit is that it is easy to understand, but it to some degree have the worst property you can think of. I did a very simple trick. First of all we have a "low" or "high" value to output to the DAC. The "low" value is the higher bits of