[time-nuts] eLoran

2020-02-08 Thread Bob Martin
I meant to add because I designed the first version, I'm excited to see it coming back to life. Of course most of the original hardware that controlled the timing of the signals has been replaced by an FPGA... Bob Dave, The van is at Timing Solutions -> Symmetricom -> Microsemi ->

[time-nuts] eLoran

2020-02-08 Thread Bob Martin
Dave, The van is at Timing Solutions -> Symmetricom -> Microsemi -> Microchip Technology. I designed the hardware for the first incarnation of eLoran which was funded by the FAA as a backup for GPS. Bob Hi Bob- Is the van still open to viewing? I'm in Boulder as well, must be at NIST?

Re: [time-nuts] Using a common power supply among few time standards

2020-02-08 Thread Charles Steinmetz
Chris wrote: How about using the open frame linear supplies like the ones from Power One or Lambda? I have had very good results with Deltron open-frame linear supplies. They have selectable mains voltage and low output noise (1mVrms/5mVp-p). I have used many (i.e., hundreds) of the Model

Re: [time-nuts] Using a common power supply among few time standards

2020-02-08 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
I *just* put pieces together for my project.  It's in a 2U rack case.  AND REALIZED RACK FLANGE IS ON BACK PANEL!  Geez...  Now, I have to re-drill some holes and turn it around.  This particular case has integrated flange.  It's part of the side panel - and power supply is mounted there.  I

Re: [time-nuts] Using a common power supply among few time standards

2020-02-08 Thread ew via time-nuts
Thank you for your warning. Have not bought Traco but was considered after Poul-Henning recommendation. Will stay with Mean Well have plenty good experience,  a couple % more efficiency was tempting no more          Bert Kehren In a message dated 2/8/2020 4:43:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Re: [time-nuts] eLoran

2020-02-08 Thread paul swed
That really is exciting. H hope the testing goes well. A comment. When ursanav was heavily testing 2013 region I had one of there stations here along with a HP5071 Cesium. They obtained data, I obtained serious fun. But what is very interesting is the LORAN antenna is no larger than some of

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN broadcasts

2020-02-08 Thread paul swed
Jeffery would be interested in your square loop antenna design. With respect to square loops for wwvb I use a 10' X 10' antenna with preamp something like 800' od wire in the loop and cap to resonate with a preamp. As mentioned the stations in NJ so you will not hear it. Wildwood is actually a

[time-nuts] LPF filter parts

2020-02-08 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Learned Gentlemen, FWIW Although closed until April 2020, due to an injury,  Dan's small parts has always had a great selection of chokes and capacitors for very good prices. Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To

[time-nuts] GPS outages

2020-02-08 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Learned gentlemen, For anyone interested, there an extensive article on GPS problems in the February 2020 issue of Fortune magazine. Regards, Perrier ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Using a common power supply among few time standards

2020-02-08 Thread Askild
Hi Bert, Make sure to measure the noise on the Traco (on both input and output) We had some issue with noise from a couple of Traco models at work. We changed to Mean Well, and much less noise Br, Askild On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 8:10 PM ew via time-nuts wrote: > Just got this in the mail I

Re: [time-nuts] eLoran

2020-02-08 Thread Dave Hartzell
Hi Bob- Is the van still open to viewing? I'm in Boulder as well, must be at NIST? Dave On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:07 PM Bob Martin wrote: > On Friday I was given a tour of a van that is > being outfitted to monitor eLoran signals. > Pretty exciting. > > Bob > Boulder,CO > >

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN broadcasts

2020-02-08 Thread Martin Flynn
Wildwood, New Jersey/  Near Cape May On 2/8/2020 2:21 PM, Jeffrey Pawlan wrote: I still have my Austrom LORAN receiver and the square loop antenna. It always seemed to have better stability than GPS so I was sad when they shut it off. Where is Wildwood and also does anyone know if there

[time-nuts] eLoran

2020-02-08 Thread Bob Martin
On Friday I was given a tour of a van that is being outfitted to monitor eLoran signals. Pretty exciting. Bob Boulder,CO ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] LORAN broadcasts

2020-02-08 Thread Jeffrey Pawlan
I still have my Austrom LORAN receiver and the square loop antenna. It always seemed to have better stability than GPS so I was sad when they shut it off. Where is Wildwood and also does anyone know if there will ever be a station in the West Coast?  I previously used Fallon NV. I am in San

Re: [time-nuts] Using a common power supply among few time standards

2020-02-08 Thread ew via time-nuts
Just got this in the mail I am sure they have related items.            We use with very good results Mean Well SD DC/DC products, for my Rb 8607 project I plan on using Traco Power

Re: [time-nuts] Using a common power supply among few time standards

2020-02-08 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Grab your DVM and take a look at the voltage on the input caps on one of those supplies as compared to the output voltage. With light loads (which is how most use them …) the voltage ratio is pretty high. As a result, the efficiency is not as good as it could be. The Acopian versions that

Re: [time-nuts] Using a common power supply among few time standards

2020-02-08 Thread Chris Waldrup
Hi Taka, How about using the open frame linear supplies like the ones from Power One or Lambda? I usually pick these up when I find them, recap if needed and they're a cheap and easy way to get a supply. Chris KD4PBJ > On Feb 6, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Taka Kamiya via time-nuts > wrote: > > I

Re: [time-nuts] Using a common power supply among few time standards

2020-02-08 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi DC/DC converters can indeed be filtered. If you do it wrong, things will get pretty crazy. In general, you need at least an L/C filter and may need an R/L/C design. Things like ESR on the caps and SRF on the inductors do indeed matter. Both common mode and differential mode filtering may

Re: [time-nuts] Using a common power supply among few time standards

2020-02-08 Thread Taka Kamiya via time-nuts
Right now, my problem is where to strike a reasonable yet good compromise. I thought of using DC/DC but these are quite noisy, and noise comes from both ends.  I had one powering distribution amplifiers.  For an experiment, I placed a ferrite bead on the output and the whole thing oscillated

Re: [time-nuts] Using a common power supply among few time standards

2020-02-08 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi As you have already noted, things do die from time to time. Fuses are a good idea, along with protection diodes. Still, none of it is 100%. The more heat / temperature you have in a part, the quicker it is likely to fail. One often overlooked failure mode is loosing one supply on a +/-12V

Re: [time-nuts] Using a common power supply among few time standards

2020-02-08 Thread jimlux
On 2/7/20 7:01 PM, Taka Kamiya via time-nuts wrote: I recall S-100 scheme had an issue of per-board regulator failing short and dumping 8V into bus killing rest of the system More like the 5V regulator (most likely a trusty 7805 in a TO-3 package) shorting, applying 8V to all those TTL