Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise principle and measuring confusion

2020-04-07 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Phase is what drives an ADEV measurement ( frequency from phase ….). Phase noise the noise at a specific offset from a carrier, often normalized to a 1 Hz bandwidth. Phase noise is a different measure than “phase”. ( = they are not the same thing ). Indeed a single mixer can be used as the h

[time-nuts] Phase noise principle and measuring confusion

2020-04-07 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Learned Gentleman, I've read several articles on phase noise but I'm lost. I need a *Ding-Dong* school explanation of what it is, why it's important and how one goes about measuring it. Bob wrote: Phase measurement of my GPSDO Thequick way to do this is with a single mixer. Take something like a

[time-nuts] DIY HP 105B Service Manual

2020-04-07 Thread Perry Sandeen via time-nuts
Esteemed Members, Several years ago I had a late model HP 105B that was configured with the HP 10811 OCXO and was only listed in an errata document so I made my own. I've sent it to the KO4BB website for posting. I had misplaced my files and had thought I'd lost them in a hard drive crash. If anyo

Re: [time-nuts] Now is the time for all good dogs

2020-04-07 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
When I worked for Agilent, I had full access for "free" to all these tools, and access to their designers, etc. Nevertheless, the time commitment to learn these tools is prohibitive to any engineer who is responsible for designing the complete product, not just designing a chip. I mainly only ever

Re: [time-nuts] Now is the time for all good dogs

2020-04-07 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 07.04.20 um 19:27 schrieb Brent: Saw this the other day regarding training but it looks like its only the Pathway stuff. I don't see anything for ADS... It seems they have renamed it. < https://www.keysight.com/de/de/products/software/pathwave-design-software/pathwave-advanced-design-sy

Re: [time-nuts] Now is the time for all good dogs

2020-04-07 Thread Brent
Saw this the other day regarding training but it looks like its only the Pathway stuff. I don't see anything for ADS... Brent On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 12:57 PM Gerhard Hoffmann < g...@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: > to jump over the lazy fox. > > Oh, not really. > > > But if you always wanted

[time-nuts] Now is the time for all good dogs

2020-04-07 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
to jump over the lazy fox. Oh, not really. But if you always wanted to experiment with harmonic balance, nonlinear noise and other things that your LTspice cannot do, then Keysight currently offers 3 month trial licenses for ADS for home office use for free. < https://www.keysight.com/de/d

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 PPS output

2020-04-07 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The main point is that these Rb’s (not just the PRS-10) are not really set up for what you are trying to do. A proper GPSDO will do a much better job than something like this. ( GPS into PRS-10 != GPSDO ). There are a number of sub-variants of the PRS-10 (and the other telecom Rb’s) so knowi

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 PPS output

2020-04-07 Thread Mike Ingle
Hi Bob, If I am understanding you correctly, it is normal operation that the time tagging stops working, and that the PPS out should not phase lock to the PPS-in? It is perfectly fine in my application that the PPS out has a fixed non zero offet to the average GPS PPS signal (obviously any indivi

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 PPS output

2020-04-07 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Backing up a little bit …. the PPS in on these telecom Rb’s is designed to easily get the part set on frequency. It’s not designed for a GPSDO application. What you are seeing is consistent with that “application target”. Bob > On Apr 7, 2020, at 6:32 AM, Mike Ingle wrote: > > Hi all, >

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-10 PPS output

2020-04-07 Thread Mike Ingle
Hi all, Thank you for your feedback. I found the schematics for the PRS-10 online, and the output is 5V HCMOS. signal : locked --> hc08 inhc08 out --> hc14 in hc14 out --> 4x 240 ohm resistors -> output pin PPS--> hc08 in Which brings me to my next question. I have been running

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 189, Issue 11

2020-04-07 Thread Dave B via time-nuts
Hi Skip. Does the Austron even recognise the *IDN? query that Ni-Max uses to identify instruments?  Information on those is "thin" on the web. Is your ENET-GPIB able to work in analyser mode, so you can see exactly what's happening on the bus as the PC scans for devices? Check the cables.  If I