Re: [time-nuts] time sync by moonbounce

2020-05-23 Thread Jeremy Nichols
That’s it! And Author Mudgway turns out to be from Sonoma, a town in my county just a few miles east of me. I wonder if I can get him to sign my copy when it comes out? On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 3:52 PM Adam Kumiszcza wrote: > I think this is available here: > https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/

Re: [time-nuts] NYTimes: New geoid soon

2020-05-23 Thread Jeremy Nichols
In a similar vein I recommend “The Measure of All Things,” by Ken Alder, the story of Méchain and Delambre and the history of the meter. (Published by The Free Press in 2002.) On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 1:07 PM Steve Allen wrote: > On Sat 2020-05-23T12:21:17-0700 jimlux hath writ: > > > So fiendi

Re: [time-nuts] time sync by moonbounce

2020-05-23 Thread Adam Kumiszcza
I think this is available here: https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20020033033.pdf and here: https://books.google.pl/books?id=vn5TMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=pl&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false Best regards, Adam Kumiszcza On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 5:20 PM Je

Re: [time-nuts] NYTimes: New geoid soon

2020-05-23 Thread Steve Allen
On Sat 2020-05-23T12:21:17-0700 jimlux hath writ: > > So fiendishly difficult that the first time the task was completed was > > not until 1899 > > And how long did Mr. Schott and the team work on it? The reason that this report was in the Lick library is that the observatory hosted one of the sit

Re: [time-nuts] time sync by moonbounce

2020-05-23 Thread jimlux
On 5/23/20 8:19 AM, Jeremy Nichols wrote: Sufficiently interesting that I bought a paper copy through Abebooks. Looks like a somewhat later version, author given as Douglas Mudgway, title “ Uplink-Downlink: A History of the Deep Space Network 1957-1997.” “Oversized,” 674 pages. Abebooks lists a c

Re: [time-nuts] NYTimes: New geoid soon

2020-05-23 Thread jimlux
On 5/23/20 11:52 AM, Steve Allen wrote: On Fri 2020-05-22T23:16:49-0700 Hal Murray hath writ: It is a fiendishly difficult math and physics task that, once completed, will have taken a decade and a half to accomplish. So fiendishly difficult that the first time the task was completed was not u

Re: [time-nuts] NYTimes: New geoid soon

2020-05-23 Thread Steve Allen
On Fri 2020-05-22T23:16:49-0700 Hal Murray hath writ: > It is a fiendishly difficult > math and physics task that, once completed, will have taken a decade and a > half to accomplish. So fiendishly difficult that the first time the task was completed was not until 1899 The Transcontinental Triang

Re: [time-nuts] time nuttery in Space Communications

2020-05-23 Thread Jeremy Nichols
Some of the stories of deep space communication are really interesting. Round-trip light times measured in hours, data rates measured in bits per minute, remote transmitters with only a few watts. The knowledge is limited to just a handful of people, I suppose. On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 10:44 AM j

[time-nuts] time nuttery in Space Communications

2020-05-23 Thread jimlux
One thing in all these DSN histories is that they don't make very much of the essential thing that separates Deep Space radio links from Near Earth radio links, and that's the timing: specifically the coherent link between the received signal and transmitted signal. I suspect that's just becau

Re: [time-nuts] time sync by moonbounce

2020-05-23 Thread jimlux
On 5/23/20 9:18 AM, Mike Millen wrote: Probably a good idea... there are two page 19s and no page 20 in the pdf.  :-( That's the page where the aliens came and told us how to build the DSN, then the story resumes with 26m antenna design and operation. (If anyone's interested, I can probab

Re: [time-nuts] time sync by moonbounce

2020-05-23 Thread jimlux
On 5/23/20 8:19 AM, Jeremy Nichols wrote: Sufficiently interesting that I bought a paper copy through Abebooks. Looks like a somewhat later version, author given as Douglas Mudgway, title “ Uplink-Downlink: A History of the Deep Space Network 1957-1997.” “Oversized,” 674 pages. Abebooks lists a c

Re: [time-nuts] time sync by moonbounce

2020-05-23 Thread Mike Millen
Probably a good idea... there are two page 19s and no page 20 in the pdf.  :-( Mike - M0MLM On 23/05/2020 17:12, Wes wrote: You talked me in to it. Wes  N7WS On 5/23/2020 8:19 AM, Jeremy Nichols wrote: Sufficiently interesting that I bought a paper copy through Abebooks. Looks like a some

Re: [time-nuts] time sync by moonbounce

2020-05-23 Thread Wes
You talked me in to it. Wes  N7WS On 5/23/2020 8:19 AM, Jeremy Nichols wrote: Sufficiently interesting that I bought a paper copy through Abebooks. Looks like a somewhat later version, author given as Douglas Mudgway, title “ Uplink-Downlink: A History of the Deep Space Network 1957-1997.” “Ov

Re: [time-nuts] time sync by moonbounce

2020-05-23 Thread Jeremy Nichols
Sufficiently interesting that I bought a paper copy through Abebooks. Looks like a somewhat later version, author given as Douglas Mudgway, title “ Uplink-Downlink: A History of the Deep Space Network 1957-1997.” “Oversized,” 674 pages. Abebooks lists a couple dozen copies in both hardback and pape

Re: [time-nuts] time sync by moonbounce

2020-05-23 Thread ew via time-nuts
This is a must read. Could not put it down, JPL, NASA,  Eisenhowe,r did learn a lot at the same time fascinating Bert Kehren In a message dated 5/22/2020 10:36:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, jim...@earthlink.net writes: Apparently, they used moonbounce between DSN stations to synchronize to 5 mic