[time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-22 Thread rcbuck
I'm not sure what I will use for the VCTCXO. I have a few different ideas to play around with. Testing when I have time over the next couple of weeks I may find a suitable solution. Ray, AB7HE Original Message Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions From: paul swed

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-22 Thread paul swed
Looked at the KD2BD schematic and it is a 10 MHz VCTCXO. That seems reasonable perhaps to find. Regards Paul On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:44 PM paul swed wrote: > I was actually thinking about this quite a bit and perhaps I went the > wrong way. > That is a cheap vcxo class device. His unit was

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-22 Thread paul swed
I was actually thinking about this quite a bit and perhaps I went the wrong way. That is a cheap vcxo class device. His unit was not an oven as I recall. Just maybe a bit too good was actually bad. Hard to say and no time to play right now. Regards Paul WB8TSL On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:06 PM Bob

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:51 PM, paul swed wrote: > > Ray watch out for my comment on the KD2BD solution. That oscillator isn't > available and I have not been able to map something else into it. Tried > several good grade Oven oscillators. Just be aware of that issue. > Would need to do

Re: [time-nuts] For those following ES100 WWVB receiver modules

2020-07-22 Thread David G. McGaw
The generic WWVB receivers in radio-controlled clocks are essentially TRF receivers using a 60kHz crystal as the tuned element. David N1HAC On 7/22/20 2:26 PM, Hal Murray wrote: tsho...@gmail.com said: I myself did some experimenting with a tuned loop antenna through a 60 kHz crystal

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-22 Thread paul swed
Ray watch out for my comment on the KD2BD solution. That oscillator isn't available and I have not been able to map something else into it. Tried several good grade Oven oscillators. Just be aware of that issue. Would need to do more tinkering and simply don't have that time right now. Also it

[time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-22 Thread rcbuck
Thanks to all for the suggestions. I dug a ferrite rod AM radio antenna out of the box this morning. I have a box of 10 left over from the late 80s. It measures 0.950 mH so I will add some turns to get it to 1.5 mH which will be easier to resonate at 60 kHz. Then I need to build up the RF amp and

Re: [time-nuts] For those following ES100 WWVB receiver modules

2020-07-22 Thread djl
Is there a gnu radio receiver? Should be able to handle this speed. Don On 2020-07-22 11:41, Tim Shoppa wrote: The ES100 module sold by universal-solder.ca which Tom introduced us to a couple years ago, is now End-Of-Life. "A new module is currently in development".

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-22 Thread Lester Veenstra via time-nuts
Software Costas, see MatLab: https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/16744-demodulating-a-bp sk-using-costas-loop?s_tid=FX_rc2_behav Lester B Veenstra  K1YCM MØYCM W8YCM 6Y6Y les...@veenstras.com 452 Stable Ln (HC84 RFD USPS Mail) Keyser WV 26726 GPS: 39.336826 N  78.982287 W

Re: [time-nuts] For those following ES100 WWVB receiver modules

2020-07-22 Thread Hal Murray
tsho...@gmail.com said: > I myself did some experimenting with a tuned loop antenna through a 60 kHz > crystal bandpass hooked to a ... What is the bandwidth of the WWVB signal? What is the bandwidth of a crystal filter? (or probably, what are my choices, and what do I get if I use a low cost

[time-nuts] For those following ES100 WWVB receiver modules

2020-07-22 Thread Tim Shoppa
The ES100 module sold by universal-solder.ca which Tom introduced us to a couple years ago, is now End-Of-Life. "A new module is currently in development". https://www.universal-solder.ca/product/everset-es100-cob-wwvb-60khz-bpsk-receiver-kit-with-2-antennas/ I myself did some experimenting

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-22 Thread paul swed
The KD2BD receiver is a costas loop. So look at that and you have the answer. It does not decode the BPSK data though. Thats quite a project all by itself. Regards Paul On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 10:42 AM Rodger via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Hey Ray, > > Paul and I have a nice

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-22 Thread Mark Haun
Hi Ray, A similar project has been on my to-do list for a couple of years now (so don't hold your breath!).  It should be possible to do this using the built-in ADC for a really nice, minimalist demonstration of SDR principles.  The STM32L4 series which I often use has a pretty decent ADC: fast

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-22 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 7/22/2020 7:35 AM, Rodger via time-nuts wrote: Hey Ray, Paul and I have a nice piece of code that generates the WWVB BPSK bit stream using an Arduino and a ublox GPS module. (total cost under $30) You could use this as a WWVB emulator while you're working on your code. Sorry, I can't

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-22 Thread Lester Veenstra via time-nuts
Ray: If you will pardon the obvious, once digitized, in software, simply square to remove the phase, or better still, a Costas Loop to sync demod. Lester B Veenstra  K1YCM MØYCM W8YCM 6Y6Y les...@veenstras.com 452 Stable Ln (HC84 RFD USPS Mail) Keyser WV 26726 GPS: 39.336826 N  78.982287 W

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB PM Time Questions

2020-07-22 Thread Rodger via time-nuts
Hey Ray, Paul and I have a nice piece of code that generates the WWVB BPSK bit stream using an Arduino and a ublox GPS module. (total cost under $30) You could use this as a WWVB emulator while you're working on your code. Sorry, I can't really help with your question about demodulating the

Re: [time-nuts] IFCS 2020 tutorial - low noise electronics for time/frequency metrology

2020-07-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The gotcha is that all X7R tells you is that the temperature dependence of the part falls inside a certain set of limits. Back many decades ago there were very few formulas out there to make this or that spec part. Pretty much everybody made a part type with the same material. Since the

Re: [time-nuts] IFCS 2020 tutorial - low noise electronics for time/frequency metrology

2020-07-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 2020-07-22 03:39, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > > > On 7/21/2020 4:27 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > >> >> In capacitors, two things make them microphonic, voltage over the >> capacitor and the high-dielectric constant as this makes it more >> sensitive to mechanical stress, and this also