Re: [time-nuts] Mentorship needed in learning about Allan Deviation and variation.

2020-11-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi It’s *lots* easier to apply it in software than to do the fun and games with the delay line. One of the biggest issues with the delay line approach is finding one that is good enough ( stable, 0.1 ns resolution, wide enough range, low noise ….) to do the job. Bob > On Nov 10, 2020, at 4:0

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-11-10 Thread John C. Westmoreland, P.E.
Hello Time Nuts, I've been running some tests - I just had the screen 'white-out' problem happen again - I have a termination resistor on the SCK line (pin 13 on the Teensy 4.1) - so it appears this is related to the TFT screen updates - maybe a pixel write going out of bounds. The Teensy is stil

Re: [time-nuts] Mentorship needed in learning about Allan Deviation and variation.

2020-11-10 Thread Matthias Welwarsky
Joe, I mentioned those spikes in an earlier, private email as well, I think Bob is correct, there's something going on with the sawtooth correction. Since you're already reading the quantization error correction data from the Ublox TIM_TP message, you might want to try "digitally" applying it.

[time-nuts] NTDS24 (NTP) Digital Clocks (New, never used)

2020-11-10 Thread Gregory Beat via time-nuts
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Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-11-10 Thread paul swed
Graham that is the alternate approach. The new suggested KD2BD vcTCXO works very well. Its 10 MHz and readily available. But then the old divider chains are needed. The KD2BD method works well if you have plenty of solder. First mixer is 50 KHz LO. Result 10 KHz IF. 10 KHz IF gain Second Mixer is a

Re: [time-nuts] Mentorship needed in learning about Allan Deviation and variation.

2020-11-10 Thread Joe & Gisela Noci
Bob, Thanks for that. I am going to dig! Joe On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 7:56 PM Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > If you are handling the sawtooth correctly, you should see no hanging > bridges > at all. My guess is that the spikes are coming from a problem in the > sawtooth > correction “stuff”. With no

Re: [time-nuts] Mentorship needed in learning about Allan Deviation and variation.

2020-11-10 Thread Jim Harman
Rather than using the hardware delay line, I suggest you add or subtract (as appropriate) the sawtooth correction data directly to/from your time to digital converter data. In the Ublox devices, the sawtooth should be applied to the following pps pulse. Also you might consider using the TI TDC7200

Re: [time-nuts] Mentorship needed in learning about Allan Deviation and variation.

2020-11-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If you are handling the sawtooth correctly, you should see no hanging bridges at all. My guess is that the spikes are coming from a problem in the sawtooth correction “stuff”. With no correction, you *will* see a spike as is rolls over. With a correction error, you would also see a spike. B

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB teensy BPSK early experiments

2020-11-10 Thread Graham / KE9H
Paul: It might be easier to relegate that function to hardware. A simple TC-VCO that drives the sampling clock for the ADC and is steerable for frequency/phase lock from the CPU would allow you to build a synchronous receiver without working about locking the CPU clocking system to anything. ---

Re: [time-nuts] Mentorship needed in learning about Allan Deviation and variation.

2020-11-10 Thread Joe & Gisela Noci
Hi Bob, Yes, I am - I use a Dallus digital delay line in series with the GPS 1pps and program the delay line each second with the GPS delay estimate in the GPS NAV message. It works really well, jitter on the 1pps pulse is hugely reduced, but one side effect is that those 'hanging bridges' can beco

Re: [time-nuts] Mentorship needed in learning about Allan Deviation and variation.

2020-11-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Are you using sawtooth correction? Bob > On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Joe & Gisela Noci wrote: > > Hi everyone, > Still playing with my GPSDO..The Rubidium source I was hoping to have the > loan off did not work out, so still in the dark. I have sort of convinced > myself to procure a reaso

Re: [time-nuts] Mentorship needed in learning about Allan Deviation and variation.

2020-11-10 Thread Joe & Gisela Noci
Hi everyone, Still playing with my GPSDO..The Rubidium source I was hoping to have the loan off did not work out, so still in the dark. I have sort of convinced myself to procure a reasonable 'proven' source, Rubidium or whatever, but that seems to be more easily decided than done..Or at least so i