Re: [time-nuts] Grandfather clock sync'd to 1PPS (from time-nuts Digest, Vol 200, Issue 4)

2021-03-10 Thread Philip Gladstone
My feeling was that a fairly small battery could run the weight adjuster for a year or two. It has to power some type of RF receiver to pick up a locally broadcast time signal (probably on 2.4GHz). Given that it can characterize the local crystal, the actual 'on time' of the receiver would be

Re: [time-nuts] Grandfather clock sync'd to 1PPS (from time-nuts Digest, Vol 200, Issue 4)

2021-03-10 Thread paul swed
Like you all, I have always thought it would be fun to mess with a pendulum clock. Since I have one already what stands in the way? Well my Wife might think very differently about a few screws and wires in that clock. At the other end of the spectrum is Bill S. beautiful clocks he has built. Not

Re: [time-nuts] Grandfather clock sync'd to 1PPS (from time-nuts Digest, Vol 200, Issue 4)

2021-03-10 Thread Hal Murray
jfitzger...@alum.wpi.edu said: > You guys have me thinking about another "non cheating" technique.I am now > imagining a small gear motor/screw arrangement that raises or lowers a mass > on the pendulum to trim out small variations in swing frequency. How are you planning to get power

Re: [time-nuts] Grandfather clock sync'd to 1PPS (from time-nuts Digest, Vol 200, Issue 4)

2021-03-10 Thread Philip Gladstone
I had a design for something like that which I could hang on the back of a pendulum and screw a weight up and down (actually I was going to move the whole device up and down). The problem was that it would impose significant air resistance and actually prevent the clock from running. I believe

Re: [time-nuts] World's most precise.... wall clock

2021-03-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 2021-03-11 00:38, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > >> On Mar 10, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> On 2021-03-10 17:04, Bob kb8tq wrote: >>> Hi >>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Charlie wrote: Bob- As a rank amateur e astronomer, I am a lurker. I

Re: [time-nuts] World's most precise.... wall clock

2021-03-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Mar 10, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: > > Hi, > > On 2021-03-10 17:04, Bob kb8tq wrote: >> Hi >> >>> On Mar 10, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Charlie wrote: >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> As a rank amateur e astronomer, I am a lurker. I am amazed at what I have >>> learned here. I know that

Re: [time-nuts] clocks for amateur radio and astronomy (was: World's most precise.... wall clock)

2021-03-10 Thread Tim Lister
On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 2:21 PM Bruce Griffiths wrote: > > Unless something akin to VLBI or pulsar timing is involved millisecond > accuracy will usually suffice for amateur astronomy. I think some of the most demanding requirements for optical astronomy by amateur/semi-pros are set by

Re: [time-nuts] World's most precise.... wall clock

2021-03-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 2021-03-10 17:04, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > >> On Mar 10, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Charlie wrote: >> >> Bob- >> >> As a rank amateur e astronomer, I am a lurker. I am amazed at what I have >> learned here. I know that there are differences between the meaning of >> precision and accuracy, but

Re: [time-nuts] clocks for amateur radio and astronomy (was: World's most precise.... wall clock)

2021-03-10 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Unless something akin to VLBI or pulsar timing is involved millisecond accuracy will usually suffice for amateur astronomy. Bruce > On 11 March 2021 at 06:31 Bob kb8tq wrote: > > > Hi > > > On Mar 10, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 06:39:46 -0800 > >

Re: [time-nuts] Grandfather clock sync'd to 1PPS (from time-nuts Digest, Vol 200, Issue 4)

2021-03-10 Thread Gerald Swann
Hi Philip, I have read about the approach you described with a magnet on the pendulum and a stepper adjusting a steel plate up and down. The one I saw (on Hackaday) seemed to work very well. I don't really see what the difference is between that method and the method I used. My

Re: [time-nuts] Grandfather clock sync'd to 1PPS (from time-nuts Digest, Vol 200, Issue 4)

2021-03-10 Thread Joseph B. Fitzgerald
You guys have me thinking about another "non cheating" technique.I am now imagining a small gear motor/screw arrangement that raises or lowers a mass on the pendulum to trim out small variations in swing frequency. -Joe Fitzgerald ___

Re: [time-nuts] clocks for amateur radio and astronomy (was: World's most precise.... wall clock)

2021-03-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Mar 10, 2021, at 12:17 PM, Attila Kinali wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 06:39:46 -0800 > "Charlie" wrote: > >> My question is thus: It seems that procuring a more precise PPS/time output >> unit is quite a bit more costly than what I have; even more costly is a unit >> that has both

[time-nuts] clocks for amateur radio and astronomy (was: World's most precise.... wall clock)

2021-03-10 Thread Attila Kinali
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 06:39:46 -0800 "Charlie" wrote: > My question is thus: It seems that procuring a more precise PPS/time output > unit is quite a bit more costly than what I have; even more costly is a unit > that has both more precise PPS/time output, The question is more whether it is good

Re: [time-nuts] Grandfather clock sync'd to 1PPS (from time-nuts Digest, Vol 200, Issue 4)

2021-03-10 Thread Philip Gladstone
I solved the rewind problem by putting an alarm on my phone for noon on Sundays. During the pandemic, I'm always home, so that works out too! On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:52 AM Dana Whitlow wrote: > Philip, > > You and I are definitely "in sync" regarding cheating to alter the pendulum >

Re: [time-nuts] Grandfather clock sync'd to 1PPS (from time-nuts Digest, Vol 200, Issue 4)

2021-03-10 Thread Dana Whitlow
Philip, You and I are definitely "in sync" regarding cheating to alter the pendulum motions! I had a very similar thought for effectively making the pendulum based system into sort of a VCO, except that instead of a metal plate, use a small Nd magnet polarized vertically, stealthily-attached to

Re: [time-nuts] World's most precise.... wall clock

2021-03-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Mar 10, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Charlie wrote: > > Bob- > > As a rank amateur e astronomer, I am a lurker. I am amazed at what I have > learned here. I know that there are differences between the meaning of > precision and accuracy, but please correct my understanding if I am > imprecise. >

Re: [time-nuts] World's most precise.... wall clock

2021-03-10 Thread Peter Reilley
I was thinking about the discussion on synchronizing a grandfather clock using a magnet and coil.   Most methods for doing this use an external power supply or a battery. What about powering the synchronizing circuit from energy harvested from the pendulum.   Consider that you can get a quartz

Re: [time-nuts] Grandfather clock sync'd to 1PPS (from time-nuts Digest, Vol 200, Issue 4)

2021-03-10 Thread Philip Gladstone
I've been wanting to do this as well, but I feel that it is "cheating" to actively drive the pendulum. I want to have a passive approach to disciplining the clock so that the clock itself is keeping time. One approach that I have seen was to put a magnet at the bottom of the pendulum and then

Re: [time-nuts] World's most precise.... wall clock

2021-03-10 Thread Charlie
Bob- As a rank amateur e astronomer, I am a lurker. I am amazed at what I have learned here. I know that there are differences between the meaning of precision and accuracy, but please correct my understanding if I am imprecise. I have a need for precise time, as all sorts of

Re: [time-nuts] World's most precise.... wall clock

2021-03-10 Thread Dana Whitlow
Hal, The older (and probably the newer models, too) Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDOs have a user-adjustable time constant accessible via the serial port using a program like "Tboltmon.exe" (from Trimble). I suspect that "Lady Heather" may also do this. I am fortunate in owning a still functioning

Re: [time-nuts] World's most precise.... wall clock

2021-03-10 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 2021-03-10 14:23, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > >> On Mar 10, 2021, at 6:04 AM, Hal Murray wrote: >> >> >> kb...@n1k.org said: >>> The gotcha here is that if you want accurate *time*, you are better off >>> using >>> the sawtooth corrected output from a (good) GPS module rather than a GPSDO.

Re: [time-nuts] World's most precise.... wall clock

2021-03-10 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi > On Mar 10, 2021, at 6:04 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > > > kb...@n1k.org said: >> The gotcha here is that if you want accurate *time*, you are better off using >> the sawtooth corrected output from a (good) GPS module rather than a GPSDO. > > Why is that? The controller gets in the way. If

Re: [time-nuts] World's most precise.... wall clock

2021-03-10 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: > The gotcha here is that if you want accurate *time*, you are better off using > the sawtooth corrected output from a (good) GPS module rather than a GPSDO. Why is that? I would have guessed that a GPSDO would average over many GPS pulses thus reducing the noise. Is it