[time-nuts] Re: thermodynamics of time keeping

2021-09-07 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The reason for “unbuffered” is that there’s one less “block” in the device. That means less delay. Delay in an oscillator stage is phase shift and it “tunes” the oscillator. If it gets to far, the oscillator may have startup issues. Even if it’s in a tolerable range, twice the delay is

[time-nuts] Re: thermodynamics of time keeping

2021-09-07 Thread Hal Murray
p...@phk.freebsd.dk said: > But putting multiple '04 inverters in sequence was a well known method to > shapen flanks, and I have always understood that as the reason for using > three in the xtal clock generator setup. They used to make a 74U04, U for Unbuffered, basically a simple analog

[time-nuts] Re: thermodynamics of time keeping

2021-09-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Dana Whitlow writes: > Perhaps the author is trying to include Schmitt triggers to sort of emulate > mechanical escapements. > I've occasionally used the things (Schmitt triggers) to help square up > sinewaves, but never in a case > where I was concerned about stability or jitter. > >

[time-nuts] Re: thermodynamics of time keeping

2021-09-07 Thread Dana Whitlow
Perhaps the author is trying to include Schmitt triggers to sort of emulate mechanical escapements. I've occasionally used the things (Schmitt triggers) to help square up sinewaves, but never in a case where I was concerned about stability or jitter. BTW, how do three inverters constitute a

[time-nuts] Re: thermodynamics of time keeping

2021-09-07 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Richard Karlquist writes: > He lost me when he started talking about quartz clocks utilizing > > Schmidtt triggers. Never heard of that before and I'm going on > > 50 years of designing oscillators. I bet you just forgot about it: The classical 3-TTL-inverter clock-generator was

[time-nuts] Re: thermodynamics of time keeping

2021-09-07 Thread Richard Karlquist
He lost me when he started talking about quartz clocks utilizing Schmidtt triggers. Never heard of that before and I'm going on 50 years of designing oscillators. --- Rick Karlquist N6RK On 2021-09-07 11:08, Mike Feher wrote: > I believe the macroscopic concept of entropy is applicable to

[time-nuts] HP 59309A Digital Clock (HP-IB)

2021-09-07 Thread Gregory Beat via time-nuts
Looking for the HP 59309A Clock, that originally sold in 1970s (1974-1978), for your HP Test Suite (HP-IB) or Time-Nuts Lab? http://www.leapsecond.com/museum/hp59309a/hp59309a.htm Accepts an external Clock reference (1, 5, or 10 MHz, switchable) == One has appeared on eBay, from solanotraders

[time-nuts] Re: thermodynamics of time keeping

2021-09-07 Thread Mike Feher
I believe the macroscopic concept of entropy is applicable to almost every field of physics. - Mike Mike B. Feher, N4FS 89 Arnold Blvd. Howell NJ 07731 848-245-9115 -Original Message- From: Chuck / Judy Burch Sent: Sunday, September 5, 2021 2:40 PM To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com

[time-nuts] Binary Sampler Paper

2021-09-07 Thread Mike Monett
Oops - I forgot to include which file to begin reading the paper. Start at Intro.htm. The paper gives links to the next section at the bottom of the page. Mike ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com -- To unsubscribe send an email to

[time-nuts] thermodynamics of time keeping

2021-09-07 Thread Chuck / Judy Burch
A fundamental relationship between thermodynamics and time keeping has recently been discovered.  These articles in the public domain discuss the matter. https://arxiv.org/abs/2007.02217v1 A. N. Pearson, Y. Guryanova, P. Erker, E. A. Laird, G. A. D. Briggs, M. Huber, and