[time-nuts] Re: Project Great

2021-11-28 Thread Lux, Jim
On 11/28/21 8:03 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Jim, For state of the art numbers and plots, here's a recent (2020) paper: "A Review of Contemporary Atomic Frequency Standards", by Bonnie Schmittberger, David Scherer https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.09987 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.09987.pdf It also has pl

[time-nuts] Re: Project Great

2021-11-28 Thread Tom Van Baak
Jim, For state of the art numbers and plots, here's a recent (2020) paper: "A Review of Contemporary Atomic Frequency Standards", by Bonnie Schmittberger, David Scherer https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.09987 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.09987.pdf It also has plots comparing clock stability vs. size and

[time-nuts] Lowest noise (phase noise and ADEV) method to achieve 10 MHz signal from 5 MHz input

2021-11-28 Thread Matt Huszagh
Hi, I've got a 10 MHz distribution amplifier and am considering purchasing a 5 MHz reference. Most (not all) of my equipment accepts a 5 MHz reference, but I'd like to be able to use the existing distribution amplifier I have if possible. Therefore, I'm considering ways I might generate a low-nois

[time-nuts] Re: Seeking advice: Is this the right way to check very short term (below 1s) stability?

2021-11-28 Thread Andy Talbot
I forgot the URL http://g4jnt.com/10MHzDist.pdf Andy www.g4jnt.com On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 at 18:39, Andy Talbot wrote: > The way I look at short term stability is to multiply up to microwave > frequencies then mix the two and look at the resulting beat note. The > popular ADF4351 Fract-N synth

[time-nuts] HP 5065A, no 2nd harmonic.

2021-11-28 Thread cdelect
With that offset either the oven set point has changed or there has een a component value shift in the oscillator circuit. The easiest way to test is to stick in another 10811 if available. You could also install one of the original 105 style oscillators if you have one. Cheers, Corby ___

[time-nuts] Re: Project Great

2021-11-28 Thread Marek Doršic
Hi, I'm also one of those fascinated by Project Great and this was The project inspired me to start with time related stuf. Can Cs clock be avoided by prolonged period at high altitudes? Assume you can spend a month at the summit. Is e.g. the Rb drift stable enought to compensate and obtai

[time-nuts] Re: Project Great

2021-11-28 Thread Gerhard Hoffmann
Am 28.11.21 um 18:37 schrieb Bernd Neubig: -Jim wrote- I wouldn't actually think there's a Cs on ISS. What purpose would it serve? We as time-nuts think "of course you'd have a precise source of time", but really, there's not much need for timing on ISS on a scale smaller than seco

[time-nuts] Re: Project Great

2021-11-28 Thread Lux, Jim
On 11/28/21 9:37 AM, Bernd Neubig wrote: -Jim wrote- I wouldn't actually think there's a Cs on ISS. What purpose would it serve? We as time-nuts think "of course you'd have a precise source of time", but really, there's not much need for timing on ISS on a scale smaller than seconds,

[time-nuts] Re: Seeking advice: Is this the right way to check very short term (below 1s) stability?

2021-11-28 Thread Andy Talbot
The way I look at short term stability is to multiply up to microwave frequencies then mix the two and look at the resulting beat note. The popular ADF4351 Fract-N synthesizer is ideal for this. Take two of them, and programme for two frequencies in the GHz region a 1kHz or so apart when driven

[time-nuts] Re: Lucent 849143995

2021-11-28 Thread kyrrin
    The 2100, normally, supplies +5V bias. It can be modified to do +12V, though it's tricky.     +5 is a safe bet for most antennas. If the Lucent unit was made in the 90's-early 00's, you should be fine (I don't have any data on that specific number, though).     Keep the peace(es). On 2

[time-nuts] Re: Seeking advice: Is this the right way to check very short term (below 1s) stability?

2021-11-28 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The AR-60A is a pretty good “telecom” grade Rb. Depending on which one you have it will have a 1 second ADEV in the 5x10^-12 (rare) to 1.5x10^-11 range. Once you get inside the 1 second range on any Rb, the ADEV is going to be dominated by the OCXO in the device. The telecom grade units are

[time-nuts] Seeking advice: Is this the right way to check very short term (below 1s) stability?

2021-11-28 Thread Erik Kaashoek
As the collection of frequency sources and counters in my home lab is growing I'd like to understand the performance of the frequency sources. Two different GPSDO do help to check long term stability. But the Rubidium frequency standard I have (Accubeat AR60A) is fairly unknown and seemingly not

[time-nuts] Re: Project Great

2021-11-28 Thread Bernd Neubig
-Jim wrote- I wouldn't actually think there's a Cs on ISS. What purpose would it serve? We as time-nuts think "of course you'd have a precise source of time", but really, there's not much need for timing on ISS on a scale smaller than seconds, if that. NTP to timestamp files, for ins

[time-nuts] Lucent 849143995

2021-11-28 Thread Martin Flynn
Hi Folks, Would like to donate an external GPS antenna for the TS2100 at the local radio astronomy site. Anyone know what voltage the Lucent 849143995 GPS antenna is and if it's suitable for the TS2100? Martin A Flynn / W2RWJ Computer Deconstruction Laboratory 2201 Marconi Road Wall Townshi

[time-nuts] HP 5065A on ebay

2021-11-28 Thread ew via time-nuts
Two HP 5065A on ebay in Germany                        Bert Kehren https://www.ebay.com/itm/353785283417?hash=item525f3f0359:g:~GkAAOSwNgZhoODS ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com -- To unsubscribe send an email to time-nuts-le...@li

[time-nuts] Re: Project Great

2021-11-28 Thread Lux, Jim
On 11/28/21 2:11 AM, Andy Talbot wrote: I would imagine there are already several caesium clocks on board the ISS, anyway. Don't forget there is a velocity component in relativistic time shift, as well as gravitational, so using a moving platform like an aircraft or the ISS complicated things a l

[time-nuts] Re: Project Great

2021-11-28 Thread Lux, Jim
On 11/27/21 11:08 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Hi Thomas, Good to hear the experiment was contagious for you. If you have additional questions let me know. Your suggestion about Mount Evans and Pikes Peak are excellent. You will enjoy this 2017 paper: "An Undergraduate Test of Gravitational Tim

[time-nuts] Re: Project Great

2021-11-28 Thread Wilko Bulte
Being curious here: has anyone ever taken a Cs in a submarine? E.g. the Marianatrench or so? As a native from a mountain-deprived country I could not help wondering. Wilko > On 28 Nov 2021, at 08:14, Tom Van Baak wrote: > > Hi Thomas, > > Good to hear the experiment was contagious for you.

[time-nuts] Re: Frequency Standard - Where Can I Get One.

2021-11-28 Thread Norman Reitz via time-nuts
Hi Bob, thx a lot. Now I can keep it on my list and try to get it on the second Hand market in a couple of years 😉. Its a bit too much for my hobby budget.  I am only interested in the Audio frequences below 50mhz range, so GHz is not important at the Moment for me Kind regards  Norman Gesendet

[time-nuts] Re: HP 5065A, no 2nd harmonic.

2021-11-28 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Either the 10811 is on frequency or it needs to be swapped out. If it’s a 10811, they are available on eBay for $50 if you shop. You might have to buy two or three at that price to get a really good one. That’s no different from paying $200 for them ….. If the oven has died, it will be appa

[time-nuts] Fwd: Re: Project Great

2021-11-28 Thread ew via time-nuts
If you are in Germany the Zugspitze at 2962 meter and Garmisch 700 meter would be perfect. Good amenities at both locations.                                                                                                                                                                         

[time-nuts] Re: Project Great

2021-11-28 Thread Andy Talbot
I would imagine there are already several caesium clocks on board the ISS, anyway. Don't forget there is a velocity component in relativistic time shift, as well as gravitational, so using a moving platform like an aircraft or the ISS complicated things a lot Andy www.g4jnt.com On Sun, 28 Nov 2

[time-nuts] Re: Project Great

2021-11-28 Thread Dave ZL3FJ
Is the ISS a suitable platform? I expect getting the experiment package on there would be quite another matter! DaveB, NZ -Original Message- From: Tom Van Baak [mailto:t...@leapsecond.com] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 20:09 To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Project