[time-nuts] Timestamping counter techniques :Estimating accuracy

2022-02-04 Thread Erik Kaashoek
For a counter without any post-processing the accuracy has a lower bound defined by the clock frequency and the gate time. This computed accuracy ignores possible error sources outside the counter but at least it is easy to calculate and avoids taking too many irrelevant output digits into

[time-nuts] Re: Efratom FRK with "inoperative lamp"

2022-02-04 Thread paul swed
Julien I don't think I would read a lot into the failed R just replace it. They are in a nasty hot environment and simply can age and die. Get at leat 2 resistors just incase there really is a shorted transistor or something else going on. Regards Paul On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 3:50 AM Julien

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Any time you relocate things (even by 10m) it’s a really good idea to do a resurvey. The same is true if the GPS module gets replaced. Yes this is a “Timenut” talking :). Clicking on the resurvey button isn’t all that big a deal. Bob > On Feb 4, 2022, at 8:11 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > > >

[time-nuts] Re: Timestamping counter techniques : dead zone quantification

2022-02-04 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Pretty much *any* counter can measure 1x10^-9 if you leave the gate open long enough. Gate time matters. One can *assume* a 1 second gate time, but that’s not always the case. ADEV suffers from this same “unstated time” issue. In “HP” terms 1x10^-9 at 1 second is roughly a 5335 from back in

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-04 Thread Hal Murray
e...@telight.com said: > The location seems right on. I found some of my notes from way back, when I > had it hooked to a decent outdoor antenna - the coordinates are exactly the > same. This setup is about 5-10 m away from the original location. They are exactly the same. The results from

[time-nuts] Re: Timestamping counter techniques : dead zone quantification

2022-02-04 Thread Erik Kaashoek
Magnus, Thanks, good input. To check if there is "pulling" between the two counter inputs I used two signals generated by two PLL's from the same OCXO. First measurement is both at 10MHz. The ratio of these two signals was measured in the two counters using a shared 10MHz reference with a 0.1

[time-nuts] Re: How I spent my 2021

2022-02-04 Thread Wilko Bulte
hi Skip, Now, that was a very interesting read! The tenacity with debugging such a variety of issues has to be admired! At the same time I am quite surprised to see the messy (sorry, no insult intended, but the original dead bug proto style can and is done a lot cleaner than this) build

[time-nuts] Re: Efratom FRK with "inoperative lamp"

2022-02-04 Thread Julien Goodwin
On 4/2/22 5:15 pm, Julien Goodwin wrote: Well that was unexpectedly easy (to diagnose). Thanks all for the replies, much appreciated, you have once again confirmed my appreciation for this group. I sat down this evening to work through your various suggestions, and, by chance, picked up