[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread Hal Murray
j...@luxfamily.com said: > These days, since PCs don't have serial ports, you can buy a RS422 USB > adapter for $5.  If I were doing it now, I wouldn't bother reconfiguring. USB is ugly for timing. I can get RS-232 PCI cards cheap enough. Has anybody found a good RS-422 card? The ones I

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread Brown
Some information on the Motorola Oncore VP used in the HP Z3801A http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=download=02_GPS_Timing/Motorola_Oncore/Oncore_Interface_Brian_Kirby.pdf http://www.realhamradio.com/tac32-interface.htm http://www.realhamradio.com/GPS_Frequency_Standard.htm

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread Lux, Jim
On 2/24/22 7:25 PM, ed breya wrote: Paul and Hal, I think there may be some confusion here. I modified the Z3801A to RS-232 way back when I first got it. My recent post was just discussing some of what's in this demo/testing unit thing. It's just a translator for TTL/RS-232 for when the GPS RX

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread ed breya
Paul and Hal, I think there may be some confusion here. I modified the Z3801A to RS-232 way back when I first got it. My recent post was just discussing some of what's in this demo/testing unit thing. It's just a translator for TTL/RS-232 for when the GPS RX board (TTL serial) is used by

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread Hal Murray
paulsw...@gmail.com said: > Internally there was a mod that allowed the 3801 to output true rs 232. > Numbers of jumpers as I recall. Like 8 or 10. Jeff Mock wrote up a nice description of how to do it, with good pictures. https://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/Z3801AReceiverModifications

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread paul swed
Hi Ed I have used satstat also but favor ladyheather. So nice. Internally there was a mod that allowed the 3801 to output true rs 232. Numbers of jumpers as I recall. Like 8 or 10. If your using satstat then it doesn't remember anything. As suggested in the points if the almanac is gone it can

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread ed breya
Paul,I'm using the old HP SatStat program. It's plenty good enough for my simple needs. I also found I have a bunch of old stuff from over ten years ago, while organizing the older PCs and consolidating backup files. The original Motorola WinOncore program is included. This can talk to the RXs

[time-nuts] Re: Types of noise (was: Phase Station 53100A Questions)

2022-02-24 Thread Joseph Gwinn
time-nuts Digest, Vol 214, Issue 24 On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 22:39:10 -0500, time-nuts-requ...@lists.febo.com wrote: > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 01:30:38 +0100 > From: Magnus Danielson > Subject: [time-nuts] Re: Types of noise (was: Phase Station 53100A > Questions) > To:

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread paul swed
Ed what tool are you using to monitor the 3801. LadyHeather remembers these bits of good stuff. Regards Paul. WB8TSL On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 2:46 PM ed breya wrote: > Last night I told it to do a survey, and let it slog through it > overnight. This morning it seemed to be working fine, and

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread ed breya
Aha, thanks John. I just saw your message after sending my previous reply. That would explain a couple of things - first, that the TCXO needs a workout, and may have been the entire cause all along, and second, that those Flash parts (or is it something else?) are used for storing data during

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread ed breya
Last night I told it to do a survey, and let it slog through it overnight. This morning it seemed to be working fine, and apparently in position hold mode. Then I shut it down for about 45 min to let things cool down to nearly a fresh cold-start condition. On power up, it went through the

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
I recently fired up my old Z3801As and ran across a similar problem. Art Sepin helpfully reminded me that the old Motorola receivers' on-board oscillators drift with time and after a long power off the oscillator may drift so far that it can't lock. The receiver stores calibration data in

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi If the unit has been off long enough ( could be decades ….. ) there is a lot about the GPS system that it really has no way of knowing. It will have to grab a full almanac and the ephemeris data from whatever it might happen to be able to download it from. Since the data rate on GPS is mind

[time-nuts] Re: HP Z3801A project update

2022-02-24 Thread paul swed
Ed these older units do indeed take hours to potentially sync. Powerup and let go for 24 hours if its been off a long time. Normally doesn't take anything like 24 hours. But if that much time goes by thats a really bad indicator. I actually add in the battery backup to the gps receivers. 2 X AA