Re: [time-nuts] small multi-timezone display

2021-01-10 Thread Didier Juges
Well, the latency in the php web page I posted earlier bugged the heck out of me so I redid it the "right" way: http://www.ko4bb.com/js/clock/?tz=America/Los_Angeles,Europe/Paris,Asia/Novosibirsk Now the web page loads a Javascript program that uses the local machine's time, the internet is only

Re: [time-nuts] Ebay Huawei Ublox M8T Modules Warning

2021-01-09 Thread Didier Juges
For reference, my original Thunderbolt Monitor had a 3.3V CPU (3.6V max) and a "voltage regulator" from the 5V consisting of two silicon diodes in series. That worked very well. The original kit still runs, 10 years later. When Fluke.l (of eBay fame) copied the design, he saved the cost of the two

Re: [time-nuts] Model numbers of RS232 to GPIB controllers

2021-01-09 Thread Didier Juges
I do have a number of those and while slow and clunky, they work and are well documented. They are quite configurable and I have not come across a piece of equipment I could not make work with one of those. However, I would not recommend buying one (at any price) simply because they are not

Re: [time-nuts] small multi-timezone display

2021-01-09 Thread Didier Juges
t;: " . $dt->format('d.m.Y, H:i:s') . "\n"; } //echo $dt->format('d.m.Y, H:i:s'); $sec=1; ?> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 2:52 PM Didier Juges wrote: > Mindlessly inspired by this thread, here the cheapest solution you could > get (I believe

Re: [time-nuts] small multi-timezone display

2021-01-09 Thread Didier Juges
Mindlessly inspired by this thread, here the cheapest solution you could get (I believe): 1) Buy a pre-paid Android phone for about $30 ($20 when they are on sale). They have a surprising amount of functionality for about as much money as a middle of the road Raspberry Pi. 2) Point the browser

Re: [time-nuts] small multi-timezone display

2021-01-09 Thread Didier Juges
Jim, Not to sound greedy or anything, but if you have a Thunderbolt around, you can use 4 of my kits and put them on different time zones :) Didier KO4BB On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:59 PM Lux, Jim wrote: > I've got a shelf about 80cm long that I'd like to have 4 timezones > displayed on. > > The

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Counter Choice

2020-10-30 Thread Didier Juges
Just for reference, I have an HP5334 that is missing the entire display assembly and it works just fine over GPIB. Try it, it would most likely work. Didier KO4BB On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 9:46 AM Mark Spencer wrote: > I am just curious how viable would it be to use a 531xx series counter > with

Re: [time-nuts] What do people use for measuring temperature?

2020-09-28 Thread Didier Juges
> > Re: thermistors * Stability of the supply/reference voltage. > If the reference voltage is also the reference of the ADC, its stability and precision are much less of a concern, noise will pretty much be the only issue. Didier KO4BB > ___

Re: [time-nuts] What do people use for measuring temperature?

2020-09-28 Thread Didier Juges
I second the thermistor as the most "bang for the buck" temperature measurement device. My applications have not been time-nuts (or volt-nuts for that matter) quality but even in the °C accuracy range, they are hard to beat. Didier KO4BB ___ time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] distribution amps for 200 MHz

2020-09-15 Thread Didier Juges
Some CATV distribution amplifiers have built-in 4 or 8 way splitters and work over 60-900 MHz. They are cheap enough that's it's worth trying. Didier KO4BB On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 4:57 PM Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > jimlux writes: > > > For work, I'm looking to distribute 200 MHz to 44

Re: [time-nuts] Spectrum Software Micro-Cap downloads

2020-09-12 Thread Didier Juges
Thanks for the link. I remember using MicroCap when it was a DOS program that came on 5 1/4" floppies. I probably still have them somewhere. It had its quirks but I remember also it had always been fast. I just downloaded mc12 and played with it a bit. I think I might use it over LTSpice, at least

Re: [time-nuts] Quartzlock E10-MRX

2020-09-01 Thread Didier Juges
If you can open the case, you should be able to locate the largest board (if there is more than one) where most of the conventional electronics is located and devise a way to keep that part of the case cool, with a fan, a heatsink or both. The physics package is designed to run hot but if too much

Re: [time-nuts] PDIP package 100 MHz decade dividers

2020-07-18 Thread Didier Juges
A long time ago I used a 74AC74 to prescale a 100MHz VCO down to 25, the 74AC74 was AC coupled to the VCO and the signal was a fraction of a volt. Worked quite well. Probably not time-nuts quality but in a pinch it did the job at the time. Didier On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 9:37 PM Alex Pummer

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency division by 81

2020-06-19 Thread Didier Juges
You can use one of the Silabs 8051 microcontrollers. They run one clock per instruction (for the 1 byte instructions like NOP) so dividing by 81 should not be a problem. I use them extensively to make programmable dividers. My favorite small package is a SO-14. They have much smaller devices but

Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt question

2020-06-05 Thread Didier Juges
Even more so when the cable is long, as it is likely to be with a GPS receiver. The cable attenuation does wonders attenuating the effects of VSWR... Didier KO4BB On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:30 PM Tim Shoppa wrote: > Many of us use F connectors and 75 ohm CATV RG-6 coax for GPS antennas when >

Re: [time-nuts] Teensy 4.1

2020-05-14 Thread Didier Juges
I just got a Teensy 4.0, OSHPark edition (it was $18 when I bought a set of boards a couple of weeks ago). I have not done anything with it yet but I am looking forward to. I have not looked at the differences with the 4.1. Didier KO4BB On Thu, May 14, 2020, 5:15 PM Adrian Godwin wrote: > I

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A - Newbie capacitor question

2020-05-02 Thread Didier Juges
Tantalum capacitors are known to occasionally short for no good reason. Give them a reason and they'll be happy to oblige. Things that can damage a tantalum cap in a hurry include excessive voltage, reverse polarity, overheating (likely with hand soldering) and current spikes. If it were me, and

Re: [time-nuts] Vaperware Parts and pulse stretching circuits

2020-04-25 Thread Didier Juges
I personally have an MX-500P I like that it turns itself off if you do not use it after a few minutes, and it takes about 15 seconds to have the tip back into soldering temperature, so there is no reason to leave it on any longer than you need it then and now and the tip won't burn. Tips and

[time-nuts] Pulse stretching circuit

2020-04-25 Thread Didier Juges
If you want to build a simple pulse extender, the design linked below is derived from the one in my TBMonitor kit: KO4BB.com/getsimple/index.php?id=pulse-extender It is not full featured like the one from TAPR but may be enough for your needs and will cost you much less. You can get the PWB

Re: [time-nuts] New Thunderbolt monitor

2020-04-25 Thread Didier Juges
to hold a Nano VNA. > > 73, Dick, W1KSZ > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:12 PM Didier Juges wrote: > > > The new Thunderbolt monitor kits are available. > > This one has a 32 bit ARM microcontroller, which allows for some > > interesting features. > > Informatio

[time-nuts] New Thunderbolt monitor

2020-04-23 Thread Didier Juges
The new Thunderbolt monitor kits are available. This one has a 32 bit ARM microcontroller, which allows for some interesting features. Information at www.ko4bb.com The matching Android app, aptly named TBMon, is available in the Play Store. Note that you can play with the app without buying the

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise confusion II

2020-04-09 Thread Didier Juges
Perry, Typically jitter is expressed in the time domain (so many ps peak to peak for instance) Phase noise is expressed as a power ratio in the frequency domain. Otherwise they usually represent the same phenomenon. Didier On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 6:29 PM Perry Sandeen via time-nuts <

Re: [time-nuts] Buffer amplifier, OP Amp, vs MMIC, vs discrete?

2020-04-04 Thread Didier Juges
Search for Wenzel in the Manuals pages on my web site www.ko4bb.com Didier KO4BB On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 5:25 AM Dana Whitlow wrote: > What is a "Wenzel amp"? Are you referring to the broad line of amplifiers > made by Wenzel Assoc? > You sound like you've got some insight into what is inside

Re: [time-nuts] Power glitch - Sat morning

2020-04-01 Thread Didier Juges
When you feed an electrical moteur with that, it sounds like a Harley Davidson :) It's a feature! On Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 10:58 AM Mark Spencer wrote: > A few decades ago I was chatting with an electrical engineer during some > down time during a long project in Canada. We started talking about

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for HP105B addendum for HP11801 oscillator upgrade

2020-03-06 Thread Didier Juges
Charles, I'll be glad to rename it more appropriately :) What do you suggest? Didier KO4BB On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 9:53 AM Charles Steinmetz wrote: > Taka Kamiya wrote: > > > I have an HP105B with a newer HP11801 oscillator. * * *According > to archive, this particular update was never a

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A and using the HPIB for control

2020-03-06 Thread Didier Juges
I have not looked at the manual but it could be as simple as plugging a Prologix GPIB-USB controller and using John Miles' GPIB Toolkit control software to send just the right command. I would not call that programming but it would involve reading the manual... :) Both tools are well documented

Re: [time-nuts] Any time-nut able to copy 82S191 PROM?

2020-02-27 Thread Didier Juges
Well, I have an old EP-1140 EPROM programmer that may be able to but I do not have the manual or the software for it. Software was running under MS-DOS, maybe an early Windows version like 3.0 or 3.1 so it may well be old enough to support those chips. I do have a modern TL866 II Plus but it does

Re: [time-nuts] The difficulty of low noise measurements

2020-01-12 Thread Didier Juges
Keep in mind that BLE and "classic" Bluetooth are completely different animals. There is no "serial emulation" with BLE. If you want to use Bluetooth modules to isolate serial traffic, I recommend the JDY-30/31 modules. They are a much improved (and cheaper) version of the HC-05 that you can get

Re: [time-nuts] 10MHz, distribution amplifier.

2019-12-24 Thread Didier Juges
I do not see any transformer in the outputs. Common mode noise is never your friend in any kind of distribution amplifier. That would be my biggest complaint. Otherwise it looks each output has its own filter but there are two outputs per amplifier, so isolation may not be great between shared

Re: [time-nuts] 11729C versions

2019-12-21 Thread Didier Juges
http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=manuals On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 6:00 AM Christophe Huygens < christophe.huyg...@kuleuven.be> wrote: > (maybe better suted to hp-agilent but I am no longer there - apologies) > > > Hi, > > > is there any functional or spec difference between the HP

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Tbolt temperature

2019-12-09 Thread Didier Juges
The only controlled experiment I am aware of was run by Mark Sims in March 2009 and he measured a 100% difference in PPS change per hour between the old chip and the new chip in holdover in the same Thunderbolt. Big enough to be statistically significant.

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Tbolt temperature

2019-12-04 Thread Didier Juges
Maybe the Khalman filter does not want to know the crystal temperature and is more interested in the ambient temperature which is better acquired away from the internals, i.e. in the corner of the board. The oven regulates the crystal temperature so if it does its job, there should not be too

Re: [time-nuts] Lowest Power NTP Server

2019-12-02 Thread Didier Juges
a good result > with NTP over wifi. > > > > I'm not sure if the 8266 has the same issue. > > > > Shame, because with the ultra low power processor you could do some > interesting things. > > > > -David (AD7WZ) > > > > > > > > ‐‐‐ Orig

Re: [time-nuts] Lowest Power NTP Server

2019-12-01 Thread Didier Juges
ure I saw Bob write that 5uS was his goal. > > I don't think anyone would claim that ordinary cheap WiFi can achieve > consistent sub-millisecond variations in latency. > > Tim N3QE > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 5:06 PM Didier Juges wrote: > > > You should look at

Re: [time-nuts] Lowest Power NTP Server

2019-12-01 Thread Didier Juges
This article indicates: " Average precision was measured (by comparison to known-good time sources) with 1 ms, or 0.001 seconds " On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 2:01 PM David wrote: > I'd think one of the ESP32's would be a fine choice. They have some good > power management options to wake up

Re: [time-nuts] Lowest Power NTP Server

2019-12-01 Thread Didier Juges
You should look at latency. The ESP8266 has serial (SPI) flash and a relatively small internal cache. When the chip needs to load code from flash, that can take a while, compared to the 5uS target. Great for cheap IoT stuff, not so great for time sensitive, in my opinion. On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at

Re: [time-nuts] Flash!!! FA2 works on Arduino Tablets !!!

2019-10-22 Thread Didier Juges
and the tablet will charge from the PC. When you plug an accessory into the tablet, it becomes the master and it delivers power to whatever is connected to it. On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 9:06 AM Paul Moore wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 12:01 AM Didier Juges wrote: > > One issue: once t

Re: [time-nuts] Flash!!! FA2 works on Arduino Tablets !!!

2019-10-20 Thread Didier Juges
The interface from the FA2 is USB, so there is no need (and no way) to go through a DB9. I recommend using an adapter to go from your tablet (typically micro-USB or USB-C) to a USB-A socket, then use a standard USB-A male to USB-B male cable going to the FA2. One issue: once the tablet is

Re: [time-nuts] can of worms: time-of-day in a community radio station

2019-10-19 Thread Didier Juges
"Of course this is why I am a time-nut :-)" I might say you graduated from the Advanced class with honors :) Didier KO4BB ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] FA-2 questions

2019-10-14 Thread Didier Juges
HP8656 and spectral purity should not be used in the same sentence. I had one and the best band is VHF where it may be usable for SSB or NBFM if you are not too picky. It gets worse from there going up. The worst is the lower band (HF) because it is actually the high band mixed down.

Re: [time-nuts] FA2 internal OCXO orientation sensitivity

2019-10-14 Thread Didier Juges
If it is sensitive to orientation, it is probably also sensitive to vibrations, so mobile applications may be out of the question, depending on your needs. Didier KO4BB On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 2:00 AM Mark Sims wrote: > The first time that I tried to set the FA2 internal oscillator frequency I

Re: [time-nuts] DC distribution

2019-10-08 Thread Didier Juges
That thread won't die :) Getting back briefly on the crimp versus solder debate, I want to give my 2 cents experience based opinion on this. I have been designing hardware used in military platforms most of my life, save for a few years at the start doing space hardware. A properly crimped

Re: [time-nuts] Question for my new GPSDO

2019-10-08 Thread Didier Juges
The BME series requires a fair amount of code to convert data from the sensor into human readable data like degrees. I use the BME280 in some applications. Personally, for just temperature sensing, I found good old fashion thermistors to be cheaper and more accurate than most silicon sensors

Re: [time-nuts] DC distribution

2019-10-04 Thread Didier Juges
That's what I do too. I do use Power Pole for my ham stuff that draws high current but for all the <2A 12V stuff the 5.1mm barrel connector with positive center is hard to beat because I have so many power sources and equipment already wired for it. I am not ready to rewire all the off the shelf

Re: [time-nuts] FA2

2019-10-02 Thread Didier Juges
Raspberry Pi has no display, no keyboard. If you add those, you far exceed the cost of a 7" tablet and you still have a pile of stuff that barely fits in a shoe box let alone in a decent looking enclosure and that you would not want to leave on a table unattended. A cheap Android tablet is hard to

Re: [time-nuts] FA2

2019-09-29 Thread Didier Juges
Android tablets support serial com via USB. You need an adapter which should be easy to find (google Serial Adapter for Android). Of course you will need the right software at the tablet end to do what you need. IOs does not support serial com natively (at least did not when I checked a year or

Re: [time-nuts] Two types of GPDSO / Rubidium

2019-09-26 Thread Didier Juges
I have a number of revisions of the John Vig tutorial in my Manual pages. The most recent was sent to me directly by John but I am not sure if it has the notes. www.ko4bb.com Go to Manuals and search for Vig Didier KO4BB On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:03 AM Chris Caudle wrote: > On Wed, September

Re: [time-nuts] Hp10811 parts ref

2019-09-15 Thread Didier Juges
The actual offset value in this application is somewhat irrelevant. Temperature stability of the offset voltage and bias current is. The 10811 met it's specs with the LM208 so there is no need to get a substantially better part even though as you pointed out it is easy. My point was not to use

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DMTD/phase noise set in the 21st century

2019-08-27 Thread Didier Juges
ant noise to the > 4nV/rtHz @10Hz preamp. > > Bruce > > On 26 August 2019 at 13:52 Didier Juges wrote: > > > > > > How do SuperCaps compare with electrolytics noise-wise? > > > > Didier KO4BB > > > > On Sun, Aug 25, 2019, 9:04 AM Gerhard Hoffm

Re: [time-nuts] Building a DMTD/phase noise set in the 21st century

2019-08-25 Thread Didier Juges
How do SuperCaps compare with electrolytics noise-wise? Didier KO4BB On Sun, Aug 25, 2019, 9:04 AM Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: > > Yes, these electrolytic capacitors can produce ugly effects. > > The winner is clearly the cheap > > < https://www.digikey.de/products/de?keywords=1189-1056-ND >

Re: [time-nuts] Precision Time Protocol – Windows 10 implementation

2019-08-10 Thread Didier Juges
> > > It is my understanding that the latest version of the RPi (Pi4) has a native full speed Ethernet interface, not through USB. I also read that it needs a heat sink. Didier KO4BB > ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Didier Juges
Wow, what a well written article. I have been using Cloudflare's DNS service since it was introduced. Absolutely no issues whatsoever. These people are top notch. I anticipate this new service will be as well. Didier KO4BB On Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 3:03 PM Marco Davids via time-nuts <

Re: [time-nuts] new R+S phase noise test set

2019-04-11 Thread Didier Juges
I know I want one. Whether I need one is a different story :) On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, 10:06 AM jimlux wrote: > And it does other stuff, of course..(like signal analyzer and spectrum > analyzer) > > > http://resources.rohde-schwarz-usa.com/c/fswp-bro-en-3607-209 > > -172 dBc @ 1GHz carrier, 10kHz

Re: [time-nuts] NavSymm Proteus Rollover Issue

2019-04-10 Thread Didier Juges
The way I do it in my monitors is I convert the date to Julian date, add 1024 weeks and convert back to calendar. That automatically fixes the leap years. There is a fair amount of juggling depending on wether you want to correct the GPS offset but doing it from a Julian date is considerably

[time-nuts] ko4bb.com down

2019-03-29 Thread Didier Juges
Just so you know, the KO4BB.com site has been down since yesterday. For some reason, my ISP decided that the old IP address must have been worn out and decided I needed a new one. They forgot to update my DNS so ko4bb.com is pointing to a lot of vaccuum. I was on the road so I did not notice until

Re: [time-nuts] Synthesized Signal Generator query

2019-03-07 Thread Didier Juges
The very low phase noise requirements for a 3GHz generator really cuts down your options while raising the price significantly. You may be better off with two boxes if you can really reduce your requirements to what you need as opposed to what you want. Also, I am sure you have seen that the

Re: [time-nuts] F9P

2019-02-27 Thread Didier Juges
Digikey reports as obsolete stuff they discontinue but that may still be carried by the manufacturer or other distributors. It is not always a reliable indication of the product's general availability. Didier KO4BB On Tue, Feb 26, 2019, 9:01 PM Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > If you go over to the

Re: [time-nuts] HP Stories: Battery Chargers, and a fading idolization of HP

2019-02-18 Thread Didier Juges
Hugh, You must be the only one this ever happened to ;) Didier KO4BB On Sun, Feb 10, 2019, 7:06 PM Rice, Hugh (IPH Writing Systems) < hugh.r...@hp.com> wrote: > > Putting things in writing and disclosing it to the public is a risky > undertaking!  > > Best wishes, > Hugh >

Re: [time-nuts] Calculating sidereal time

2019-01-19 Thread Didier Juges
y > leap seconds, so should I calculate Julian date from TAI or some other time > reference not affected by leap seconds? > At the moment, I calculate it from UTC and I am pretty sure that it is > wrong, just not sure what else to do. > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:51 AM Didier

Re: [time-nuts] Calculating sidereal time

2019-01-19 Thread Didier Juges
On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 11:00 PM Steve Allen wrote: > > This expression is no longer in use. It was superseded Capitaine et al. > > http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=2003A%26A...406.1135C > in which formalism it is explicitly disavowed that earth rotation is time. > >

Re: [time-nuts] Calculating sidereal time

2019-01-19 Thread Didier Juges
with it but that's another subject. On Fri, Jan 18, 2019, 11:00 PM Steve Allen On Fri 2019-01-18T15:18:08-0600 Didier Juges hath writ: > > //--- > > // Craig Haley 20/09/01 > > // 30-06-04 CSH made small changes >

[time-nuts] Calculating sidereal time

2019-01-18 Thread Didier Juges
. //--- // Craig Haley 20/09/01 // 30-06-04 CSH made small changes // 05-01-05 CSH modified to use mjd rather than converting to jd // Didier Juges // 18Jan19 converted to C. //--- /* original Mathlab code

Re: [time-nuts] HP3325B as LO for a transceiver or receiver? Phase noise?

2019-01-02 Thread Didier Juges
Another option would be to phase lock the existing XO in the transceiver instead of "replacing" it. With a very narrow PLL bandwidth, you should not degrade the transceiver stock performance. Didier KO4BB On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 4:17 AM Leo Bodnar Here is the phase noise at 10MHz >

Re: [time-nuts] Linear or quadractic fit algorithms for small microcontrollers?

2018-12-29 Thread Didier Juges
I have used that filter but with integer math it does not work well as explained in this post: http://www.embeddedrelated.com/showcode/304.php The proposed algorithm at the end of the post is just as frugal with storage and only marginally more wasteful of CPU cycles. It has the advantage of

Re: [time-nuts] Lost GPS lock or 1PPS recently?

2018-09-09 Thread Didier Juges
Not a time-nut issue but most banks that batch process will process the debits before the credit so that they get to charge you no matter what. They probably don't all do it but some definitely do. I had one bank even charge me multiple overdraft fees because they processed the largest checks

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt Start Up RS-232 Communications Glitch

2018-09-06 Thread Didier Juges
Interestingly, Gregory just posted about his success with some FTDI USB/RS-232 cables that are the real thing in a separate thread. On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 7:03 PM Didier Juges wrote: > Not sure what you refer to. I have made a large number of > microcontroller-based Thunderbolt monito

Re: [time-nuts] Trimble Thunderbolt Start Up RS-232 Communications Glitch

2018-09-06 Thread Didier Juges
Not sure what you refer to. I have made a large number of microcontroller-based Thunderbolt monitor kits and they do not have that issue. In any event, a problem like this cannot be the fault of the Thunderbolt, all it does is send data. It's up to the receiver to process it, including properly

Re: [time-nuts] News

2018-09-01 Thread Didier Juges
Congratulations Magnus, a well deserved reward for your contributions. My boss is a Senior Member and I know they do not just give those away. Well done! Didier On Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 3:40 PM Magnus Danielson wrote: > Hi Bob, > > On 08/30/2018 10:33 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > > Hi > > > > Magnus …

Re: [time-nuts] WWVB and Chronverter update

2018-08-23 Thread Didier Juges
Have you tried to contact the manufacturer? It sounds like something that should be easy to fix and that he would want to fix. Didier KO4BB On Thu, Aug 23, 2018, 8:55 PM paul swed wrote: > Hello to the group. > Had sometime to hook up the chronverter wwvb simulator. > Numbers of details. > The

Re: [time-nuts] TNS-BUF update

2018-08-19 Thread Didier Juges
That's a very good point. I have used LEDs as photocells many times, the first time was in 1974 when it was easier for this university student to get LEDs than photocells. I have also made a bi-directional optically isolated data link using a single fiber optic cable and two fiber optic