Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-24 Thread Achim Gratz
Tim Shoppa writes: > I have been observing time.cloudflare.com latency and accuracy the past 3 > days. >From my home network it is actually pretty bad compared to some other servers. It's likely the network and not the server, though. > It is a stratum 3 server, so folks might think that it's

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-24 Thread Tim Shoppa
I have been observing time.cloudflare.com latency and accuracy the past 3 days. It is a stratum 3 server, so folks might think that it's not as good as a Stratum 1 or Stratum 2. BUT... it has exceptionally low latency and it seems very likely it's Stratum 3 because it is fed by a well-maintained

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Karl Lautman
I bought one of these (https://www.ebay.com/itm/GPSDO-10M-Output-GPS-Disciplined-Oscillator-Clock-Sinusoidal-Wave-RS232-US-SHIP/172933685909?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649) a couple of months ago. I only have a 9-digit frequency counter to measure it with, and the

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Hal Murray
kb...@n1k.org said: > Given the relatively low cost of a GPS based “Stratum 1” NTP, it’s not > real > clear why (at the end of the paper) they go off and “exchange emails > individually with the organizations that run stratum 1 servers, as well as > negotiate permission to use them.”

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Paul
[Sorry about going off-topic. I'll stop now.] On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 3:42 AM Hal Murray wrote: > > 2) Anycast. > > What does anycast mean when DNS returns 2 IPv4 addresses? Is the client > expected to do anything other than use the first address returned? > No. The name is a *server*

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Aanchal Malhotra
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 11:02 AM Didier Juges wrote: > Wow, what a well written article. > Thanks! > > I have been using Cloudflare's DNS service since it was introduced. > Absolutely no issues whatsoever. These people are top notch. > I anticipate this new service will be as well. > Agreed.

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Aanchal Malhotra
hi On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:01 PM Sanjeev Gupta wrote: > Bob, > > The hardware is cheap. The software is free. The skills to deploy are > widely available. But... > > A cable run from your rack in the middle of the datacenter, through to the > roof, is either impossible or thousands of

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi I’m not advocating that you must have 185 “in house Stratum 1 devices. I’m really saying that having a limited number of devices that you have full control over *is* a good idea. Is that three or is it thirty? Obviously the more the better, but the big boost comes from at least having a

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread shouldbe q931
On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 6:00 AM Bob Bownes wrote: > > Most of the good data centers I’ve used either offer a connection to a > stratum 1 server or are more than happy to put a antenna on the roof. Many > offer microwave as a third redundant circuit path, which requires an > antenna. All for a

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Aanchal Malhotra
Hi, On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 6:07 PM Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > Given the relatively low cost of a GPS based “Stratum 1” NTP, it’s not > real clear > why (at the end of the paper) they go off and “exchange emails > individually with the > organizations that run stratum 1 servers, as well as

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Didier Juges
Wow, what a well written article. I have been using Cloudflare's DNS service since it was introduced. Absolutely no issues whatsoever. These people are top notch. I anticipate this new service will be as well. Didier KO4BB On Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 3:03 PM Marco Davids via time-nuts <

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Sorry for the double post Actually there *is* another answer: Run an atomic clock. That sounds exotic and really expensive. In fact they are a sub $1,000 sort of item in bulk (like hundreds). A Rubidium based device will hold “rate” to under a nanosecond per second pretty much

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Michael Wouters
>A cable run from your rack in the middle of the datacenter, through to the >roof, is either impossible or thousands of dollars and weeks of planning. I've done this 4 times now for GPS antennas connected to NTP servers. I agree with the thousands of dollars (2K to 4K for cable runs of around 50

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Yup, I’ve run into that with GPS based gear in the past. We’re in the sub-sub-sub basement and the roof is 123 stories straight up …. One traditional answer is the “run to the window” approach. You don’t get GPS all the time, but you get it often enough to be useful. If you are indeed

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-22 Thread Hal Murray
tic-...@bodosom.net said: > Your questions are answered in their blog post. > 1) No smear. Thanks. I found it via google. It's 3 clicks away from the blog post. In case anybody wants to get there. Start here: https://blog.cloudflare.com/secure-time/amp/ Scroll down to "Use it", the next

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Bob Bownes
Most of the good data centers I’ve used either offer a connection to a stratum 1 server or are more than happy to put a antenna on the roof. Many offer microwave as a third redundant circuit path, which requires an antenna. All for a price, of course. When I worked for an ILEC, many moons

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
Bob, The hardware is cheap. The software is free. The skills to deploy are widely available. But... A cable run from your rack in the middle of the datacenter, through to the roof, is either impossible or thousands of dollars and weeks of planning. Data centers can run wires within the

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Paul
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:12 PM Hal Murray wrote: You should probably setup another web page with just the technical details. What are you going to do about leap seconds? Smear or not? DNS for time.cloudflare.com gives 2 IPv4 addresses and 2 IPv6 addresses. Are they all equivalent in terms of

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Hal Murray
> Would love to have the feedback :) Looks good. Thanks. You should probably setup another web page with just the technical details. What are you going to do about leap seconds? Smear or not? DNS for time.cloudflare.com gives 2 IPv4 addresses and 2 IPv6 addresses. Are they all equivalent

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread David C. Partridge
ailto:time-nuts-boun...@lists.febo.com] On Behalf Of Marco Davids via time-nuts Sent: 21 June 2019 19:21 To: time-nuts@lists.febo.com Cc: Marco Davids Subject: [time-nuts] Cloudflare Opinions, anyone? https://blog.cloudflare.com/secure-time/amp/ ("Introducing time.cloudflare.

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Loron, Peter
I don't know anything beyond what Is in the press release, but Cloudflare generally does good stuff. Their work on the secure protocol is great. Looking forward to having it supported broadly. I wouldn't expect the quality of the time from their NTP system to be notably different from any

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi Given the relatively low cost of a GPS based “Stratum 1” NTP, it’s not real clear why (at the end of the paper) they go off and “exchange emails individually with the organizations that run stratum 1 servers, as well as negotiate permission to use them.” to source the root time for the

Re: [time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Aanchal Malhotra
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:03 PM Marco Davids via time-nuts < time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote: > Opinions, anyone? > > https://blog.cloudflare.com/secure-time/amp/ > > ("Introducing time.cloudflare.com") > Would love to have the feedback :) > > -- > Marco > >

[time-nuts] Cloudflare

2019-06-21 Thread Marco Davids via time-nuts
Opinions, anyone? https://blog.cloudflare.com/secure-time/amp/ ("Introducing time.cloudflare.com") -- Marco signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To unsubscribe, go to