Re: [time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-22 Thread W7SLS
Among your many choices: SignalHound SA-44B919 USD (0C - 70C version) https://signalhound.com/products/usb-sa44b/ With its (free) SPIKE software, you can measure phase noise (and much more). https://signalhound.com/spike/ Pix below is a sample (from the SM200A version). Notes:

Re: [time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-22 Thread Bob kb8tq
Hi The cheapest approach for phase noise is probably to use a single RPD-1 mixer plus preamp and feed the output into a sound card. Total cost should be under $100. Yes, it’s a DIY sort of project rather than a “buy it and use it” sort of thing. Bob > On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Anton

Re: [time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-22 Thread jimlux
On 8/22/19 5:55 AM, Anton Moehammad via time-nuts wrote: The cost of this N5511A started from 135K USD is there anything I can buy or build for less than 1K USD for phase noise measurement ? ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@lists.febo.com To

Re: [time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-22 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 8/22/2019 5:55 AM, Anton Moehammad via time-nuts wrote: The cost of this N5511A started from 135K USD is there anything I can buy or build for less than 1K USD for phase noise measurement ? ___ Kind of an open ended question, but here goes ...

Re: [time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-21 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, There is actually more approaches. Me and NIST showed you can setup a cross-correlating interferometer, it actually works, but is so far hard to maintain properties, but the principle works so we presented and published it. Another approach suggested by Enrico is to actually compensate with

Re: [time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-21 Thread Bruce Griffiths
That should have been: Its only necessary (as NIST have shown) to cool the splitters to reduce the correlated or anti-correlated thermal noise between splitter outputs. Everything else can run at ambient temperature. Bruce > On 21 August 2019 at 21:13 Bruce Griffiths wrote: > > > Its only

Re: [time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-21 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Its only necessary (as NIST have shown) to cool the splitters to reduce the correlated or anti-correlated noise between the outputs. Everything else can run at ambient temperature. Bruce > On 21 August 2019 at 18:49 ed breya wrote: > > > That's quite an impressive system. I guess it's a few

Re: [time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-21 Thread ed breya
That's quite an impressive system. I guess it's a few generations beyond my 11729C. One way to get overall performance to the limits of room temperature kT noise level, is to lower the T where you work. I wouldn't be surprised if some parts are TE-cooled, easily affordable in a big budget

Re: [time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-16 Thread Richard (Rick) Karlquist
On 8/15/2019 11:30 PM, John Miles wrote: My guess is well into 6 figure$. It's a modular system like its 3048A and E5500-series forebears, so the only limits are your imagination and your bank account. :) Very cool hardware, noting that it has some competition from all-in-one instruments

Re: [time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-16 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 2019-08-16 08:30, John Miles wrote: >> My guess is well into 6 figure$. > It's a modular system like its 3048A and E5500-series forebears, so the only > limits are your imagination and your bank account. :) Very cool hardware, > noting that it has some competition from all-in-one

Re: [time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-16 Thread John Miles
> My guess is well into 6 figure$. It's a modular system like its 3048A and E5500-series forebears, so the only limits are your imagination and your bank account. :) Very cool hardware, noting that it has some competition from all-in-one instruments like the FSWP that the earlier 'doomsday

Re: [time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-15 Thread William H. Fite
The thought of what it must cost is frightening. A colleague just acquired a *used* 5503 for a bit under $50K. On Friday, August 16, 2019, Richard (Rick) Karlquist wrote: > OMG, you need two PSG's AND a PXI cage with lots of cards. > Another doomsday machine (it replaces the E5505A which I >

[time-nuts] Keysight N5511A - phase noise measurements down to theoretical-177 dBm/Hz

2019-08-15 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
This seems quite an impressive bit of kit, which in the standard configuration boasts RF INPUT 50 kHz to 40 GHz OFFSET 10 mHz to 160 MHz NOISE FLOOR kT https://www.keysight.com/en/pd-2998258-pn-N5511A/phase-noise-test-system-50-khz-to-40-ghz Despite setting my country to the USA, where it is